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If ever I had a notion that an expression of solidarity for women in tech was unnecessary or quixotic, the response to this article on this very forum would be

If ever I had a notion that an expression of solidarity for women in tech was unnecessary or quixotic, the response to this article on this very forum would be sufficient to dispel it.

niggerdeath 10y ago
ladies, if you need to cry about the wage gap or something and you're not on your period, my messages are open ;)
paulddraper 10y ago
Black Lives Matter
tnones 10y ago
This is what we call a kafkatrap.
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bhalp1 10y ago
As the creator of https://dev.to https://dev.to and the co-author of this article, I concur mightily.
Mz 10y ago
HN has actually improved dramatically in recent years. There used to be no one like you speaking up in support. And, yet, it took me a long time to see the sexism here because it was already so much more civil than other places I had known. (In case you are unaware, I appear to be the highest ranked openly female member here. I strongly suspect I really am because I have been saying that for a couple of years or so and no one has shot me down yet with "Nope!!! THIS member is openly female AND on the leaderboard, you dumbass!!!!!")
oh_sigh 10y ago
Well, the very first claim the article brings up is that women face a pay gap, which is simply not true when you control for other variables. So that's not a good start. Also, the origin of the quote 'Nevertheless, she persisted' is from a completely non-gendered context, where a woman persisted in breaking the non-gendered rules of the US Congress.
xor1 10y ago
From what I've seen, there are less African-American and non-white hispanic men in tech than there are white and Asian women, yet I never see this discussed. Is this not an important issue as well? Will skewed racial ratios only be handled after gender parity has been achieved? Or do they not matter at all?
- batty 10y ago
  This is just concern trolling. Obviously all these issues are important to address; simply pointing to another issue does not contribute to solving either of them.
  - xor1 10y ago
    >concern trolling Thanks, I was looking for a way to call people disingenuous without actually using the term, since it's apparently become a no-no word on HN.
- rkuykendall-com 10y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
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- danso 10y ago
  The same people who call attention to gender diversity also speak out for racial diversity. This particular piece focuses on gender because of today's being International Women's Day. http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/why-cant-silicon-valley-solve-its-diversity-problem http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/why-cant-silicon-... http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/20/9179853/tech-diversity-scorecard-apple-google-microsoft-facebook-intel-twitter-amazon http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/20/9179853/tech-diversity-sco... https://medium.com/tech-diversity-files/thought-on-diversity-part-2-why-diversity-is-difficult-3dfd552fa1f7#.g7677qfr1 https://medium.com/tech-diversity-files/thought-on-diversity...

If ever I had a notion that an expression of solidarity for women in tech was unnecessary or quixotic, the response to this article on this very forum would be sufficient to dispel it.

niggerdeath 10y ago

ladies, if you need to cry about the wage gap or something and you're not on your period, my messages are open ;)

paulddraper 10y ago

Black Lives Matter

tnones 10y ago

This is what we call a kafkatrap.

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bhalp1 10y ago

As the creator of https://dev.to https://dev.to and the co-author of this article, I concur mightily.

Mz 10y ago

HN has actually improved dramatically in recent years. There used to be no one like you speaking up in support. And, yet, it took me a long time to see the sexism here because it was already so much more civil than other places I had known. (In case you are unaware, I appear to be the highest ranked openly female member here. I strongly suspect I really am because I have been saying that for a couple of years or so and no one has shot me down yet with "Nope!!! THIS member is openly female AND on the leaderboard, you dumbass!!!!!")

oh_sigh 10y ago

Well, the very first claim the article brings up is that women face a pay gap, which is simply not true when you control for other variables. So that's not a good start. Also, the origin of the quote 'Nevertheless, she persisted' is from a completely non-gendered context, where a woman persisted in breaking the non-gendered rules of the US Congress.

xor1 10y ago

From what I've seen, there are less African-American and non-white hispanic men in tech than there are white and Asian women, yet I never see this discussed. Is this not an important issue as well? Will skewed racial ratios only be handled after gender parity has been achieved? Or do they not matter at all?

batty 10y ago
This is just concern trolling. Obviously all these issues are important to address; simply pointing to another issue does not contribute to solving either of them.
- xor1 10y ago
  >concern trolling Thanks, I was looking for a way to call people disingenuous without actually using the term, since it's apparently become a no-no word on HN.
rkuykendall-com 10y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
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danso 10y ago
The same people who call attention to gender diversity also speak out for racial diversity. This particular piece focuses on gender because of today's being International Women's Day. http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/why-cant-silicon-valley-solve-its-diversity-problem http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/why-cant-silicon-... http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/20/9179853/tech-diversity-scorecard-apple-google-microsoft-facebook-intel-twitter-amazon http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/20/9179853/tech-diversity-sco... https://medium.com/tech-diversity-files/thought-on-diversity-part-2-why-diversity-is-difficult-3dfd552fa1f7#.g7677qfr1 https://medium.com/tech-diversity-files/thought-on-diversity...