5 ms·

That's now what this is. They're breaking the law and willingly serving the penalty. You can argue that the penalty isn't strong enough, but then your issue is

That's now what this is. They're breaking the law and willingly serving the penalty. You can argue that the penalty isn't strong enough, but then your issue is with the legislature, not the criminal. What you're saying is tantamount to saying a thief who likes prison food is also above the law, because he actually enjoys the penalty for the laws he breaks.

orcdork 10y ago
That's great, but no. I can argue that they shouldn't break the law. The penalty is irrelevant.
- padobson 10y ago
  >I can argue that they shouldn't break the law. And if you had done that, I'd have never responded. What you said was: >You're advocating for wealth being over the law. Which no one has yet done, not even close. Justice, according to the law, is being served. You can argue that the penalty is unjust, which you have failed to do so far. You can also argue that it's wrong to break the law, which is a new argument in the thread starting with your "over the law" comment. Saying an entity isn't subject to the law because of wealth and saying that an entity shouldn't break the law are two completely different things. The first argument doesn't work because the companies in question are proving they are subject to the law by paying the fines. The second argument is new, nebulous, not particularly substantive, and otherwise better left ignored.
st3v3r 10y ago
That's exactly what that is. Basically, if you're rich enough to where the fine doesn't matter, you don't have to follow the law.
- Dylan16807 10y ago
  It's not about being rich at all. Someone barely making ends meet running their own courier service could do the same thing. It's up to them to figure out if the increase in deliveries per day is worth the cost of the tickets. There are fines that impact big companies and rich people less because of deep pocketbooks. But parking tickets on delivery trucks are not such a fine. They scale linearly with bad-parking activity. As mikeash said, this case is effectively a tax.
  - st3v3r 10y ago
    "Someone barely making ends meet running their own courier service could do the same thing." This statement reeks of ignorance. That's like saying a poor person could easily afford chemo, while ignoring the fact that they won't be able to afford food or shelter at the same time.
    - Dylan16807 10y ago
      Because it is a risk per delivery, it averages out over the work week to simply be a certain number of pennies per delivery. Rich and poor alike can survive a percentage cost like that. It's the exact opposite of a huge fixed cost like chemo.

orcdork 10y ago

That's great, but no. I can argue that they shouldn't break the law. The penalty is irrelevant.

padobson 10y ago
>I can argue that they shouldn't break the law. And if you had done that, I'd have never responded. What you said was: >You're advocating for wealth being over the law. Which no one has yet done, not even close. Justice, according to the law, is being served. You can argue that the penalty is unjust, which you have failed to do so far. You can also argue that it's wrong to break the law, which is a new argument in the thread starting with your "over the law" comment. Saying an entity isn't subject to the law because of wealth and saying that an entity shouldn't break the law are two completely different things. The first argument doesn't work because the companies in question are proving they are subject to the law by paying the fines. The second argument is new, nebulous, not particularly substantive, and otherwise better left ignored.

st3v3r 10y ago

That's exactly what that is. Basically, if you're rich enough to where the fine doesn't matter, you don't have to follow the law.

Dylan16807 10y ago
It's not about being rich at all. Someone barely making ends meet running their own courier service could do the same thing. It's up to them to figure out if the increase in deliveries per day is worth the cost of the tickets. There are fines that impact big companies and rich people less because of deep pocketbooks. But parking tickets on delivery trucks are not such a fine. They scale linearly with bad-parking activity. As mikeash said, this case is effectively a tax.
- st3v3r 10y ago
  "Someone barely making ends meet running their own courier service could do the same thing." This statement reeks of ignorance. That's like saying a poor person could easily afford chemo, while ignoring the fact that they won't be able to afford food or shelter at the same time.
  - Dylan16807 10y ago
    Because it is a risk per delivery, it averages out over the work week to simply be a certain number of pennies per delivery. Rich and poor alike can survive a percentage cost like that. It's the exact opposite of a huge fixed cost like chemo.