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Bias for what? Following the Highway Code?

raverbashing 10y ago
Nissan CEO... (when introducing it he told the) arrival of the technology could be delayed by pesky cyclists who, he said, "don't respect any rules usually." Which to be fair is true, but I also don't agree on picking on cyclists as a driver (as a pedestrian, it's a different issue)
- m0nty 10y ago
  > to be fair is true No it isn't. It's confirmation bias of a stereotype. Motorists often display contempt for the rules, but everyone goes on about cyclists doing it. An asshole in a car will be an asshole on a bike given the chance. So afaict, we have an asshole problem, not a cyclist or a motorist one. > don't agree on picking on cyclists as a driver If you did, would you do it? Because "picking on cyclists" with the help of a two-tonne vehicle is what gets people killed.
  - raverbashing 10y ago
    You're right it's an asshole problem. However some cyclists think that cars (and trucks) have 360 degree field of vision and unlimited braking potential. That causes a lot of accidents as well. > If you did, would you do it? I think you're misreading my comment. "Picking on" in this case means blaming. (def. 32 http://www.dictionary.com/browse/picking http://www.dictionary.com/browse/picking)
    - m0nty 10y ago
      Ah, OK, sorry. For many people, "picking on" means close passes and other illegal forms of intimidation. Like "picking on" someone at school means bullying.
      - Neliquat 10y ago
        Never heard it used that maliciously. "Picking on" always ranged from playful flirting to mild intimidation, or 'button-pushing'. Any actual violence, or grave threat of such, is never called by that term. That would be considered making light of the situation without doubt imho. Just some perspective, I have lived all over north america.
  - mrob 10y ago
    As as example of contempt for rules, I regularly cycle, and I am routinely overtaken illegally by motorists. In the UK, it is illegal to cross a solid center line in your lane to overtake a bicycle traveling faster than 10mph [1]. 10mph is very slow for a cyclist. The only time I'm traveling that slow is up the steepest hills, which generally don't have center lines. I estimate about 1 in 100 motorists actually obey the law. The only time I make any non-trivial journey without seeing illegal motorist behavior is when I'm riding exclusively in rural areas with no center lines. Of course, not all of those illegal overtakes are actually dangerous, but motorists often insist on a zero tolerance attitude to cyclist law enforcement, so I think they should be held to the same standard. [1] http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/3113/regulation/26/made http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/3113/regulation/26/m... paragraph 6 section f
- DanBC 10y ago
  I'm not sure why you're quoting the bit about cyclists not respecting rules, when in this example the cyclist is riding close to the left hand side of the road, and it's the car and the driver who break English law by passing too close. If you're a car driver and you wonder why cyclists assert themselves by taking the lane: this is why. It's correct lane control, and it's something cyclists are supposed to do to prevent drivers from being dangerous.

Nissan CEO... (when introducing it he told the) arrival of the technology could be delayed by pesky cyclists who, he said, "don't respect any rules usually." Which to be fair is true, but I also don't agree on picking on cyclists as a driver (as a pedestrian, it's a different issue)

m0nty 10y ago
> to be fair is true No it isn't. It's confirmation bias of a stereotype. Motorists often display contempt for the rules, but everyone goes on about cyclists doing it. An asshole in a car will be an asshole on a bike given the chance. So afaict, we have an asshole problem, not a cyclist or a motorist one. > don't agree on picking on cyclists as a driver If you did, would you do it? Because "picking on cyclists" with the help of a two-tonne vehicle is what gets people killed.
- raverbashing 10y ago
  You're right it's an asshole problem. However some cyclists think that cars (and trucks) have 360 degree field of vision and unlimited braking potential. That causes a lot of accidents as well. > If you did, would you do it? I think you're misreading my comment. "Picking on" in this case means blaming. (def. 32 http://www.dictionary.com/browse/picking http://www.dictionary.com/browse/picking)
  - m0nty 10y ago
    Ah, OK, sorry. For many people, "picking on" means close passes and other illegal forms of intimidation. Like "picking on" someone at school means bullying.
    - Neliquat 10y ago
      Never heard it used that maliciously. "Picking on" always ranged from playful flirting to mild intimidation, or 'button-pushing'. Any actual violence, or grave threat of such, is never called by that term. That would be considered making light of the situation without doubt imho. Just some perspective, I have lived all over north america.
- mrob 10y ago
  As as example of contempt for rules, I regularly cycle, and I am routinely overtaken illegally by motorists. In the UK, it is illegal to cross a solid center line in your lane to overtake a bicycle traveling faster than 10mph [1]. 10mph is very slow for a cyclist. The only time I'm traveling that slow is up the steepest hills, which generally don't have center lines. I estimate about 1 in 100 motorists actually obey the law. The only time I make any non-trivial journey without seeing illegal motorist behavior is when I'm riding exclusively in rural areas with no center lines. Of course, not all of those illegal overtakes are actually dangerous, but motorists often insist on a zero tolerance attitude to cyclist law enforcement, so I think they should be held to the same standard. [1] http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/3113/regulation/26/made http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/3113/regulation/26/m... paragraph 6 section f
DanBC 10y ago
I'm not sure why you're quoting the bit about cyclists not respecting rules, when in this example the cyclist is riding close to the left hand side of the road, and it's the car and the driver who break English law by passing too close. If you're a car driver and you wonder why cyclists assert themselves by taking the lane: this is why. It's correct lane control, and it's something cyclists are supposed to do to prevent drivers from being dangerous.