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Teen Vogue has just been amazing recently. Some other great pieces: "What It’s Like to Be a Teen Living in an Immigration Detention Center" http://www.teenvo

by GuiA 10y ago

Teen Vogue has just been amazing recently. Some other great pieces: "What It’s Like to Be a Teen Living in an Immigration Detention Center" http://www.teenvogue.com/story/teens-living-in-immigration-detention-center http://www.teenvogue.com/story/teens-living-in-immigration-d... "How to Run for Your Local School Board" http://www.teenvogue.com/story/how-to-run-local-school-board http://www.teenvogue.com/story/how-to-run-local-school-board "The TPP: What’s Next for America and the Other 11 Countries" http://www.teenvogue.com/story/the-tpp-whats-next-for-america-and-the-other-11-countries http://www.teenvogue.com/story/the-tpp-whats-next-for-americ... And of course the classic, which put Teen Vogue on the radar for a lot of people who wouldn't read it otherwise: "Donald Trump Is Gaslighting America" http://www.teenvogue.com/story/donald-trump-is-gaslighting-america http://www.teenvogue.com/story/donald-trump-is-gaslighting-a... Mad props to them; they've been putting a lot of other "grown up" news sources to shame. In an ideal society, school should be what ensures teenagers turn into educated, balanced citizens who can contribute healthily to society regardless of their socio economical upbringing; but the US's school system (and many others) seem to have given up on that. Glad that Teen Vogue is trying to do their part.

gydfi 10y ago
You really think it's okay for Teen Vogue to be pushing political opinions on impressionable young minds?
- nooron 10y ago
  Is this sarcasm? Last I checked, no one was mandating teens to read Teen Vogue.
  - gydfi 10y ago
    Maybe it's too much to expect, but I rather think that any publication which doesn't have an overt and honest political bias ought to be politically neutral.
    - eropple 10y ago
      Teen Vogue is a magazine for young women for whom political issues matter both now and in the future. What service is the magazine doing for its readers by affecting "political neutrality" about real problems that affect and will affect its readership?
      - gydfi 10y ago
        Helping them make up their own minds about the issues? That's a pretty good service. But reprinting propaganda from one side only does not serve that purpose.
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        dredmorbius 10y ago
        It does if it's the right, or should I say, correct side. False equivalence is false equivalence, and all that.
        Chris2048 10y ago
        > correct side yet the 'incorrect' side has to be suppressed, lest anyone take it as correct?
        dredmorbius 10y ago
        If a particular argument or fact or line of reasoning or model has been clearly demonstrated to be false, or poorer, then ... well, I'm still thinking about it, but it introduces some very significant issues. At the very least, the argument that such views must be given a platform is weak. There's a long tradition of arguing for a "marketplace of ideas", which points vaguely in the direction of John Stuart Mill and "On Liberty". Turns out Mill didn't originate, or use, that term, and had some pretty specific things to say on the matter, well worth reading. The "marketplace" argument originates, so far as I'm aware, with Francis Wrigley Hirst, an economist, free-market advocate, and editor of The Economist newspaper, itself an organ ideologically premised on promoting free-market ideology (reference its own Prospect for that). There are some very profound differences between commodity ecnomic goods and services, and information, which both make the markets analogy a poor one, and pose some significant issues with information playing within markets. Susan Gordon has an excellent essay on Mill and the term, which I recommend. It's IMO incomplete (there are additional and strong criticisms which can be made), but good, and quite damning, so far as it goes. Otherwise, I'm still researching and thinking on the question, though I'm inclined somewhat far away from the "marketplace of ideas" position. http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/9710146591/john-stuart-mill-the-marketplace-ideas http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/9710146591/john-s... (Full doc on Sci-Hub: https://sci-hub.cc https://sci-hub.cc) https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.223109 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.223109
- wheelerwj 10y ago
  lol what? even biased substance is still a monumental leap above the consumerist bullshit magazines like that normally push. regardless, we should be encouraging kids to 1) read anything, 2) read lots of varied opinions.
  - gydfi 10y ago
    Are you sure you think that biased substance is better than nothing? Are you sure it's not just that you happen to agree with the bias in this case? If Teen Vogue were suddenly full of pro-Trump propaganda would you be so enthusiastic? Or would you think that was pretty weird?
    - Grangar 10y ago
      The takeaway from your comment to me, is that it's inherently anti-Trump propaganda. If they point out Trump is lying, is it propaganda or just covering the truth?
- FullMtlAlcoholc 10y ago
  Do you think it's okay for religions to push their agenda on impressionable young minds? If you had or have a daughter, what material would you like her to read?
  - reitanqild 10y ago
    Do you think it's okay for religions to push their agenda on impressionable young minds? For anyone who is in doubt: yes, as specified by law and international conventions, at least here in the west. Just the same way as atheist parents are allowed to push their agenda.
  - gydfi 10y ago
    Hell no, i don't think religions should be allowed to push their agenda on children. If we banned that we could eradicate religion within a generation. If I had a teenage daughter I'm sure I'd have little control over what she read anyway.
mmohebbi 10y ago
I agree! The Atlantic ran a story late last year on the changes there. "In May, 29-year-old Elaine Welteroth took over as editor from Amy Astley, who helped found the magazine in 2003. Welteroth, the digital editorial director Phillip Picardi, and the creative director Marie Suter have moved the magazine more aggressively into covering politics, feminism, identity, and activism." https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/12/teen-vogue-politics/510374/ https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/12/te...
gcr 10y ago
I subscribed to Teen Vogue for their investigative journalism. ...Never in a million years did I ever think I would be writing that.
- wink 10y ago
  I just checked out what their subscription actually means and I am a little dumbfounded. - "1 year of Teen Vogue in print and tablet for $5" - nice, that's cheap. But can't I do digital only? "For delivery to a non-US address, please click here." - Digital only "All non-US orders" - One year for $9.99 WTF
  - maxerickson 10y ago
    Ads. The print ad rates are set based on the subscription count. They are a big chunk of the revenue for those subscribers.
    - wink 10y ago
      Thanks for trying to explain it to me - but I still don't get why I shouldn't find a friend in the US to get the paper issues mailed to them (to throw them away, or read them) and still only pay half of the price. Probably the same thing as every geo-location access (i.e. Steam prices often equalling 1 USD = 1 EUR) - but I've never seen such a severe disconnect.

by GuiA 10y ago

gydfi 10y ago

You really think it's okay for Teen Vogue to be pushing political opinions on impressionable young minds?

nooron 10y ago
Is this sarcasm? Last I checked, no one was mandating teens to read Teen Vogue.
- gydfi 10y ago
  Maybe it's too much to expect, but I rather think that any publication which doesn't have an overt and honest political bias ought to be politically neutral.
  - eropple 10y ago
    Teen Vogue is a magazine for young women for whom political issues matter both now and in the future. What service is the magazine doing for its readers by affecting "political neutrality" about real problems that affect and will affect its readership?
    - gydfi 10y ago
      Helping them make up their own minds about the issues? That's a pretty good service. But reprinting propaganda from one side only does not serve that purpose.
      - deleted 10y ago
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      - dredmorbius 10y ago
        It does if it's the right, or should I say, correct side. False equivalence is false equivalence, and all that.
        Chris2048 10y ago
        > correct side yet the 'incorrect' side has to be suppressed, lest anyone take it as correct?
        dredmorbius 10y ago
        If a particular argument or fact or line of reasoning or model has been clearly demonstrated to be false, or poorer, then ... well, I'm still thinking about it, but it introduces some very significant issues. At the very least, the argument that such views must be given a platform is weak. There's a long tradition of arguing for a "marketplace of ideas", which points vaguely in the direction of John Stuart Mill and "On Liberty". Turns out Mill didn't originate, or use, that term, and had some pretty specific things to say on the matter, well worth reading. The "marketplace" argument originates, so far as I'm aware, with Francis Wrigley Hirst, an economist, free-market advocate, and editor of The Economist newspaper, itself an organ ideologically premised on promoting free-market ideology (reference its own Prospect for that). There are some very profound differences between commodity ecnomic goods and services, and information, which both make the markets analogy a poor one, and pose some significant issues with information playing within markets. Susan Gordon has an excellent essay on Mill and the term, which I recommend. It's IMO incomplete (there are additional and strong criticisms which can be made), but good, and quite damning, so far as it goes. Otherwise, I'm still researching and thinking on the question, though I'm inclined somewhat far away from the "marketplace of ideas" position. http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/9710146591/john-stuart-mill-the-marketplace-ideas http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/9710146591/john-s... (Full doc on Sci-Hub: https://sci-hub.cc https://sci-hub.cc) https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.223109 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.223109
wheelerwj 10y ago
lol what? even biased substance is still a monumental leap above the consumerist bullshit magazines like that normally push. regardless, we should be encouraging kids to 1) read anything, 2) read lots of varied opinions.
- gydfi 10y ago
  Are you sure you think that biased substance is better than nothing? Are you sure it's not just that you happen to agree with the bias in this case? If Teen Vogue were suddenly full of pro-Trump propaganda would you be so enthusiastic? Or would you think that was pretty weird?
  - Grangar 10y ago
    The takeaway from your comment to me, is that it's inherently anti-Trump propaganda. If they point out Trump is lying, is it propaganda or just covering the truth?
FullMtlAlcoholc 10y ago
Do you think it's okay for religions to push their agenda on impressionable young minds? If you had or have a daughter, what material would you like her to read?
- reitanqild 10y ago
  Do you think it's okay for religions to push their agenda on impressionable young minds? For anyone who is in doubt: yes, as specified by law and international conventions, at least here in the west. Just the same way as atheist parents are allowed to push their agenda.
- gydfi 10y ago
  Hell no, i don't think religions should be allowed to push their agenda on children. If we banned that we could eradicate religion within a generation. If I had a teenage daughter I'm sure I'd have little control over what she read anyway.

mmohebbi 10y ago

I agree! The Atlantic ran a story late last year on the changes there. "In May, 29-year-old Elaine Welteroth took over as editor from Amy Astley, who helped found the magazine in 2003. Welteroth, the digital editorial director Phillip Picardi, and the creative director Marie Suter have moved the magazine more aggressively into covering politics, feminism, identity, and activism." https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/12/teen-vogue-politics/510374/ https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/12/te...

gcr 10y ago

I subscribed to Teen Vogue for their investigative journalism. ...Never in a million years did I ever think I would be writing that.

wink 10y ago
I just checked out what their subscription actually means and I am a little dumbfounded. - "1 year of Teen Vogue in print and tablet for $5" - nice, that's cheap. But can't I do digital only? "For delivery to a non-US address, please click here." - Digital only "All non-US orders" - One year for $9.99 WTF
- maxerickson 10y ago
  Ads. The print ad rates are set based on the subscription count. They are a big chunk of the revenue for those subscribers.
  - wink 10y ago
    Thanks for trying to explain it to me - but I still don't get why I shouldn't find a friend in the US to get the paper issues mailed to them (to throw them away, or read them) and still only pay half of the price. Probably the same thing as every geo-location access (i.e. Steam prices often equalling 1 USD = 1 EUR) - but I've never seen such a severe disconnect.