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Yes, but the problem is that most men in tech these days are "brogrammers" who approve of this behavior and engage in it themselves. Citation needed. I haven't
by matthewmacleod 10y ago
Yes, but the problem is that most men in tech these days are "brogrammers" who approve of this behavior and engage in it themselves.
Citation needed. I haven't yet, in a decade in the tech industry, worked with anybody who would act in this way, to the best of my knowledge.
That said, I work in London and not SV, so I can't say if the culture is different. I know for a fact that it wouldn't be tolerated for a second anywhere I've worked.
- Arizhel 10y ago>That said, I work in London and not SV, so I can't say if the culture is different. Yeah, that's your problem right there. I probably should have specified that this is largely a SV/USA problem. The work culture in the UK is very different from over here. Even here in the US, it's rather different by region; I don't think it's remotely as bad on the east coast.
- prophetjohn 10y agoNever seen anything like this in NYC
- api 10y agoNor in Boston or the Los Angeles / Orange County area. I'm willing to believe it though. Far, far too many stories. I've also definitely seen it online in spades.
- jakelazaroff 10y agoReplying to this comment, but this is in response to all the ancestors who have said they "haven't seen this in X area": If you're a man (or white, etc) then it makes sense that you don't see this firsthand. It doesn't happen to you. Not all workplace harassment is as egregious or public as the harassment in this article. I absolutely don't believe that this problem mainly affects the US.
- obstacle1 10y ago>I absolutely don't believe that this problem mainly affects the US. That's fine, as long as you understand that this is just a personal belief that you hold and not a fact about the world. Since it is just your unfounded belief, it doesn't detract from, devalue, or even argue mildly against the personal experiences outlined in the comments you are responding to.
- santaclaus 10y agoI currently work in tech in the (east) bay, formerly in NYC, and have yet to encounter these frat types in technical roles.
- wavefunction 10y agoI think the scale of the allegations and the fact it's happening at as large and as visible a company as Uber is what is truly shocking to most Americans following this issue. I don't mean that sexual harassment is no problem, rather it is a terrible problem but one that generally occurs at a team or departmental level stemming from loose discipline and a lack of proper organizational leadership.
- sidlls 10y agoI've worked for more than 10 years in this industry, half out and half in SV (roughly), similarly regarding established vs startups. There is a noticeable difference on both axes. Generally my (purely anecdotal, obviously) experience is that places in the Valley and startups tend to attract more "brogrammer" types than places outside the valley or that are established companies.
- wutbrodo 10y agoI _have_ worked in SV for my entire career and I've yet to meet the mythical brogrammer. That being said, I've only worked at big companies and am currently at a startup where I'm the first employee and have done all the hiring. Though that doesn't really explain why none of my candidates check any of the boxes that I'd expect from what I've heard about brogrammers.
- rrauenza 10y agoI've worked in SV my entire career and I've met two. And their demographic profile wasn't at all what I expected.