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So much for my hopes of them removing it from Firefox. Uhg.

by datatan 10y ago

gcp 10y ago
You can have hope for a better integration than that odd toolbar button and the silly login page that asks you to make Yet Another Password instead of using the Sync/Mozilla account one.
- r3bl 10y ago
  Aren't you able to log into Pocket using your Mozilla account for a while now?
  - gcp 10y ago
    No, it still requires you to create additional passwords for Pocket.
mcmahoniel 10y ago
In case you didn't know, you can remove it from the toolbar via "Customize", or completely disable it by toggling `extensions.pocket.enabled` in `about:config`. That being said, I started using it extensively after being a big fan of Instapaper. The browser integration (especially the easy tagging) has been really helpful in keeping my tab count down.
- hendersoon 10y ago
  I use a simple bookmarklet for Pocket. This consumes zero resources and works just fine. https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8980504 https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8980504
  - mcmahoniel 10y ago
    That's how Instapaper did it back when I used it (may have a full-fledged add-on now, but I don't know for sure). The only drawback, for me, was the added bulk of the Bookmarks bar. I like to slim it down, so having the single button has been great. (Also, being able to add the tags, but maybe the bookmarklet is capable of that?)
    - hendersoon 10y ago
      I remove the bookmark's name so only the Pocket icon shows. It's very slim, but you do need the bookmark bar for that. I suppose it would work from the bookmarks menu too. When you click the bookmarklet a little dropdown banner shows and you can add tags from there.
      - pbhjpbhj 10y ago
        You might like the "Custom Buttons Bookmarklet Maker" I use it to have a button for adding videos from a page to my Plex queue, removes the need to have the bookmark bar on screen. I found it rather arcane to set up however. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/custom-buttons/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/custom-button... ... ah, and now I see it's unmaintained and recent version isn't working for some, carry on, never mind (works for me though).
- epoch1970 10y ago
  When people say that they want to "remove Pocket from Firefox", they don't mean just hiding a toolbar button or disabling it using about:config. They don't want it there at all, in any way. They don't want it using any of their computing resources, no matter how minute this usage might be. They tend to see it as something that should be available as an add-on that's installed on-demand by those who actually want the functionality.
  - Sylos 10y ago
    I disagree. People wanted to get rid of it, because they viewed it as an untrustworthy component, which it now is not anymore. The few kB that it takes up are really not a problem that anyone could rationally complain about.
baby 10y ago
You want them to remove one of the most useful feature of Firefox? You can remove it easily, but I'd advise you to try using it. It personally helps me go through interesting news and "pocket" it if I don't have the time to read it now, or want to keep my time for more important articles but still think it's an important piece of news. I have both the desktop Pocket application and the mobile Pocket application. They download the web view offline, like that I can read articles wherever I am, when I have some down time. It's been a huge time saver when it comes to only reading what is important during the day. Having less tabs. And being able to see what I deemed important to read after a while.
- deleted 10y ago
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- yellowapple 10y ago
  The existing bookmark system does pretty much all of that already (with the sole exception of offline viewing, but Pocket's implementation is reportedly buggy anyway), and then some. It also syncs across one's devices.
  - baby 10y ago
    the offline viewing is the only reason I use Pocket.
- datatan 10y ago
  "You want them to remove one of the most useful feature of Firefox?" Completely subjective. Also pointless as it could easily just be an addon. It's just bloat however and my own subjective POV is it's useless. I've never once used it, have no desire to use and don't even know anyone who uses it. So yeah, there ya go
baldfat 10y ago
I use pinboard.in I never had an issue with Pocket because I never used it and just uninstalled it.
derefr 10y ago
What is the resistance to having it in at this point? Every browser has a cloud-backed page snapshot feature.
- yellowapple 10y ago
  My own reason for disliking it was that it's a closed-source piece of an otherwise-FOSS browser. Hopefully this acquisition means a change for the better on that front.
  - mintplant 10y ago
    Pocket will become FOSS, so yes. Follow [0] for status updates. [0] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=open-pocket https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=open-pocket
  - Jach 10y ago
    I always thought that complaint was kind of odd. It's essentially the same as their Search input. Google/Yahoo/etc. are proprietary but Firefox lets you talk to them directly from their browser. Similarly, the code for the Pocket button (component) for where it handles the user clicking the button, along with what it does to talk to the Pocket server, was all in the open and if you build from source you could just remove that entirely. I was more against it for the same reasons I'm against any UI 'upgrades' when I upgrade the browser. The "share this page" button that suddenly appeared annoys me equally as much. Fortunately I can just remove it from the menu but I'd rather Mozilla didn't mess with my UI customization. (I don't know what I'm going to do when I can't use treestyle tabs anymore. I guess move to Pale Moon.)
    - pseudalopex 10y ago
      Mozilla replaced Reading List (which was client-side encrypted and theoretically self-hostable) with Pocket (which is neither). Search engines need search terms to function; Pocket uses user data to support a particular business model.

So much for my hopes of them removing it from Firefox. Uhg.

by datatan 10y ago

So much for my hopes of them removing it from Firefox. Uhg.

gcp 10y ago

You can have hope for a better integration than that odd toolbar button and the silly login page that asks you to make Yet Another Password instead of using the Sync/Mozilla account one.

r3bl 10y ago
Aren't you able to log into Pocket using your Mozilla account for a while now?
- gcp 10y ago
  No, it still requires you to create additional passwords for Pocket.

mcmahoniel 10y ago

In case you didn't know, you can remove it from the toolbar via "Customize", or completely disable it by toggling `extensions.pocket.enabled` in `about:config`. That being said, I started using it extensively after being a big fan of Instapaper. The browser integration (especially the easy tagging) has been really helpful in keeping my tab count down.

hendersoon 10y ago
I use a simple bookmarklet for Pocket. This consumes zero resources and works just fine. https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8980504 https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8980504
- mcmahoniel 10y ago
  That's how Instapaper did it back when I used it (may have a full-fledged add-on now, but I don't know for sure). The only drawback, for me, was the added bulk of the Bookmarks bar. I like to slim it down, so having the single button has been great. (Also, being able to add the tags, but maybe the bookmarklet is capable of that?)
  - hendersoon 10y ago
    I remove the bookmark's name so only the Pocket icon shows. It's very slim, but you do need the bookmark bar for that. I suppose it would work from the bookmarks menu too. When you click the bookmarklet a little dropdown banner shows and you can add tags from there.
    - pbhjpbhj 10y ago
      You might like the "Custom Buttons Bookmarklet Maker" I use it to have a button for adding videos from a page to my Plex queue, removes the need to have the bookmark bar on screen. I found it rather arcane to set up however. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/custom-buttons/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/custom-button... ... ah, and now I see it's unmaintained and recent version isn't working for some, carry on, never mind (works for me though).
epoch1970 10y ago
When people say that they want to "remove Pocket from Firefox", they don't mean just hiding a toolbar button or disabling it using about:config. They don't want it there at all, in any way. They don't want it using any of their computing resources, no matter how minute this usage might be. They tend to see it as something that should be available as an add-on that's installed on-demand by those who actually want the functionality.
- Sylos 10y ago
  I disagree. People wanted to get rid of it, because they viewed it as an untrustworthy component, which it now is not anymore. The few kB that it takes up are really not a problem that anyone could rationally complain about.

baby 10y ago

You want them to remove one of the most useful feature of Firefox? You can remove it easily, but I'd advise you to try using it. It personally helps me go through interesting news and "pocket" it if I don't have the time to read it now, or want to keep my time for more important articles but still think it's an important piece of news. I have both the desktop Pocket application and the mobile Pocket application. They download the web view offline, like that I can read articles wherever I am, when I have some down time. It's been a huge time saver when it comes to only reading what is important during the day. Having less tabs. And being able to see what I deemed important to read after a while.

deleted 10y ago
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yellowapple 10y ago
The existing bookmark system does pretty much all of that already (with the sole exception of offline viewing, but Pocket's implementation is reportedly buggy anyway), and then some. It also syncs across one's devices.
- baby 10y ago
  the offline viewing is the only reason I use Pocket.
datatan 10y ago
"You want them to remove one of the most useful feature of Firefox?" Completely subjective. Also pointless as it could easily just be an addon. It's just bloat however and my own subjective POV is it's useless. I've never once used it, have no desire to use and don't even know anyone who uses it. So yeah, there ya go

baldfat 10y ago

I use pinboard.in I never had an issue with Pocket because I never used it and just uninstalled it.

derefr 10y ago

What is the resistance to having it in at this point? Every browser has a cloud-backed page snapshot feature.

yellowapple 10y ago
My own reason for disliking it was that it's a closed-source piece of an otherwise-FOSS browser. Hopefully this acquisition means a change for the better on that front.
- mintplant 10y ago
  Pocket will become FOSS, so yes. Follow [0] for status updates. [0] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=open-pocket https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=open-pocket
- Jach 10y ago
  I always thought that complaint was kind of odd. It's essentially the same as their Search input. Google/Yahoo/etc. are proprietary but Firefox lets you talk to them directly from their browser. Similarly, the code for the Pocket button (component) for where it handles the user clicking the button, along with what it does to talk to the Pocket server, was all in the open and if you build from source you could just remove that entirely. I was more against it for the same reasons I'm against any UI 'upgrades' when I upgrade the browser. The "share this page" button that suddenly appeared annoys me equally as much. Fortunately I can just remove it from the menu but I'd rather Mozilla didn't mess with my UI customization. (I don't know what I'm going to do when I can't use treestyle tabs anymore. I guess move to Pale Moon.)
  - pseudalopex 10y ago
    Mozilla replaced Reading List (which was client-side encrypted and theoretically self-hostable) with Pocket (which is neither). Search engines need search terms to function; Pocket uses user data to support a particular business model.