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You hear someone at work say: "Fuck this bug, what a shitty compiler, let's go back to using clang". Or you hear them say: "I'm tired of this bug, what a terrib

by Cyph0n 10y ago

You hear someone at work say: "Fuck this bug, what a shitty compiler, let's go back to using clang". Or you hear them say: "I'm tired of this bug, what a terribly designed compiler, let's go back to using clang". The second one gets the same message across in my opinion, but without resorting to obscene language. Now imagine a professor saying that during a lecture; sounds even worse to be honest. You mentioned that you grew up in a foreign country. Is it normal to hear your professor or boss speaking like that in a professional setting?

matwood 10y ago
But it actually does not get the same message across. The clean version convey calmness and, well clean. The cursing version conveys the site is down and I've been up 24 fucking hours working around the fucking compiler. Completely different meaning by using words that convey a higher degrees of frustration. Now, I can agree with you if you're talking about using curse words just as a standard course of business. They are words with meaning just like all other words. Use them to convey what you are actually trying to convey.
cableshaft 10y ago
Considering I once worked at a company (in the US) where one programmer had for his Do Not Disturb sign a page that said "FUCK OFF" in giant letters, um... yeah? Granted this was in the video game industry. But actually even in my current corporate business application development job there's a healthy amount of swearing within the department, even from the boss. We don't use it when communicating with people outside the department though (well, usually).
ajmurmann 10y ago
It depends on the person. I did have a amazing high school math teacher who became interim director of the school who quite frequently used swear words. However, he did it usually in a entertaining rather than raging way. He was very popular with the students and a very effective teacher. Others would never swear and yet others occasionally. Just like normal people outside of a school setting. No parents ever complained are were concerned about it. They were just happy their kids were learning shit.
erbo 10y ago
"Profanity is the one language that all programmers know best." - Troutman's Sixth Programming Postulate
khedoros1 10y ago
> The second one gets the same message across in my opinion, but without resorting to obscene language. Same denotation, different connotation and emotional content (assuming both sentences are spoken by the same person). There are people at my work from whom the first example is heard daily, and people for whom it would be severely out of character. > Is it normal to hear your professor or boss speaking like that in a professional setting? Only one or two of my professors, out of a couple dozen, but probably 3 of the 5 bosses I've worked under would occasionally use that kind of language.

by Cyph0n 10y ago

matwood 10y ago

But it actually does not get the same message across. The clean version convey calmness and, well clean. The cursing version conveys the site is down and I've been up 24 fucking hours working around the fucking compiler. Completely different meaning by using words that convey a higher degrees of frustration. Now, I can agree with you if you're talking about using curse words just as a standard course of business. They are words with meaning just like all other words. Use them to convey what you are actually trying to convey.

cableshaft 10y ago

Considering I once worked at a company (in the US) where one programmer had for his Do Not Disturb sign a page that said "FUCK OFF" in giant letters, um... yeah? Granted this was in the video game industry. But actually even in my current corporate business application development job there's a healthy amount of swearing within the department, even from the boss. We don't use it when communicating with people outside the department though (well, usually).

ajmurmann 10y ago

It depends on the person. I did have a amazing high school math teacher who became interim director of the school who quite frequently used swear words. However, he did it usually in a entertaining rather than raging way. He was very popular with the students and a very effective teacher. Others would never swear and yet others occasionally. Just like normal people outside of a school setting. No parents ever complained are were concerned about it. They were just happy their kids were learning shit.

erbo 10y ago

"Profanity is the one language that all programmers know best." - Troutman's Sixth Programming Postulate

khedoros1 10y ago

> The second one gets the same message across in my opinion, but without resorting to obscene language. Same denotation, different connotation and emotional content (assuming both sentences are spoken by the same person). There are people at my work from whom the first example is heard daily, and people for whom it would be severely out of character. > Is it normal to hear your professor or boss speaking like that in a professional setting? Only one or two of my professors, out of a couple dozen, but probably 3 of the 5 bosses I've worked under would occasionally use that kind of language.