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So that makes it OK to use expletives in an educational setting? Sounds pretty unprofessional to me. Now, they may have overdone it in this case, but in general

by Cyph0n 10y ago

So that makes it OK to use expletives in an educational setting? Sounds pretty unprofessional to me. Now, they may have overdone it in this case, but in general, I think that expletives should remain outside of professional settings (classroom/workplace/lecture hall/etc.).

ajmurmann 10y ago
Why? What's the argument against them? Having grown up in a foreign country I genuinely don't understand the reasoning.
- nsxwolf 10y ago
  "Good morning, bitches! Who's ready to do some fuckin' math! Open your books to page 155, let's DO THIS SHIT!" I would prefer my kids not have a teacher that talks that way. I think a majority of parents would not appreciate that.
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  - losvedir 10y ago
    Ha, the kids would love it, though. I wouldn't be surprised if such a teacher had better educational outcomes.
  - ajmurmann 10y ago
    You answered my question by restating the thing that I'm asking about. Why would you not prefer the far more entertaining version?
  - matwood 10y ago
    If talking this way got more kids interested in actually doing this shit (math), I say go for it.
  - ghostDancer 10y ago
    We are talking here about reading a book, not the teacher's words, i assume that children are not that stupid as to not see it. I guess you are in favor also to cover statues/paintings penises and tits in art books and to rewrite Tintin in Congo and many other books because they are not politically correct.
    - nsxwolf 10y ago
      Right, sure. I'm all for covering up Michelangelo's David. Thanks for being so charitable with my words.
      - ghostDancer 10y ago
        I understand you, and people defending it, but i wanted to point that it's a dangerous decision , where do we stop doing it? Who can decide where's the limit between censurable and not?. So Tintin in Congo(they wanted to rewrite it some years ago) it's censurable because it's a comic but Huckleberry Finn not because it's a classic? . And sorry , didn't want to look like was attacking you.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    I agree with you. I don't know why I agree with you. I strongly don't want my child swearing until he's ready to do so. I recognise that this is irrational, and that it's just sounds. Especially because I swear a lot. (Although I feel like this I would support a teacher who chose to use the uncensored version of The Martian in school. )
- Cyph0n 10y ago
  You hear someone at work say: "Fuck this bug, what a shitty compiler, let's go back to using clang". Or you hear them say: "I'm tired of this bug, what a terribly designed compiler, let's go back to using clang". The second one gets the same message across in my opinion, but without resorting to obscene language. Now imagine a professor saying that during a lecture; sounds even worse to be honest. You mentioned that you grew up in a foreign country. Is it normal to hear your professor or boss speaking like that in a professional setting?
  - matwood 10y ago
    But it actually does not get the same message across. The clean version convey calmness and, well clean. The cursing version conveys the site is down and I've been up 24 fucking hours working around the fucking compiler. Completely different meaning by using words that convey a higher degrees of frustration. Now, I can agree with you if you're talking about using curse words just as a standard course of business. They are words with meaning just like all other words. Use them to convey what you are actually trying to convey.
  - cableshaft 10y ago
    Considering I once worked at a company (in the US) where one programmer had for his Do Not Disturb sign a page that said "FUCK OFF" in giant letters, um... yeah? Granted this was in the video game industry. But actually even in my current corporate business application development job there's a healthy amount of swearing within the department, even from the boss. We don't use it when communicating with people outside the department though (well, usually).
  - ajmurmann 10y ago
    It depends on the person. I did have a amazing high school math teacher who became interim director of the school who quite frequently used swear words. However, he did it usually in a entertaining rather than raging way. He was very popular with the students and a very effective teacher. Others would never swear and yet others occasionally. Just like normal people outside of a school setting. No parents ever complained are were concerned about it. They were just happy their kids were learning shit.
- castis 10y ago
  Because some parents are incapable of and/or unwilling to teaching their children right from wrong and will rely on the public education system to do it for them.

by Cyph0n 10y ago

ajmurmann 10y ago

Why? What's the argument against them? Having grown up in a foreign country I genuinely don't understand the reasoning.

nsxwolf 10y ago
"Good morning, bitches! Who's ready to do some fuckin' math! Open your books to page 155, let's DO THIS SHIT!" I would prefer my kids not have a teacher that talks that way. I think a majority of parents would not appreciate that.
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- losvedir 10y ago
  Ha, the kids would love it, though. I wouldn't be surprised if such a teacher had better educational outcomes.
- ajmurmann 10y ago
  You answered my question by restating the thing that I'm asking about. Why would you not prefer the far more entertaining version?
- matwood 10y ago
  If talking this way got more kids interested in actually doing this shit (math), I say go for it.
- ghostDancer 10y ago
  We are talking here about reading a book, not the teacher's words, i assume that children are not that stupid as to not see it. I guess you are in favor also to cover statues/paintings penises and tits in art books and to rewrite Tintin in Congo and many other books because they are not politically correct.
  - nsxwolf 10y ago
    Right, sure. I'm all for covering up Michelangelo's David. Thanks for being so charitable with my words.
    - ghostDancer 10y ago
      I understand you, and people defending it, but i wanted to point that it's a dangerous decision , where do we stop doing it? Who can decide where's the limit between censurable and not?. So Tintin in Congo(they wanted to rewrite it some years ago) it's censurable because it's a comic but Huckleberry Finn not because it's a classic? . And sorry , didn't want to look like was attacking you.
- DanBC 10y ago
  I agree with you. I don't know why I agree with you. I strongly don't want my child swearing until he's ready to do so. I recognise that this is irrational, and that it's just sounds. Especially because I swear a lot. (Although I feel like this I would support a teacher who chose to use the uncensored version of The Martian in school. )
Cyph0n 10y ago
You hear someone at work say: "Fuck this bug, what a shitty compiler, let's go back to using clang". Or you hear them say: "I'm tired of this bug, what a terribly designed compiler, let's go back to using clang". The second one gets the same message across in my opinion, but without resorting to obscene language. Now imagine a professor saying that during a lecture; sounds even worse to be honest. You mentioned that you grew up in a foreign country. Is it normal to hear your professor or boss speaking like that in a professional setting?
- matwood 10y ago
  But it actually does not get the same message across. The clean version convey calmness and, well clean. The cursing version conveys the site is down and I've been up 24 fucking hours working around the fucking compiler. Completely different meaning by using words that convey a higher degrees of frustration. Now, I can agree with you if you're talking about using curse words just as a standard course of business. They are words with meaning just like all other words. Use them to convey what you are actually trying to convey.
- cableshaft 10y ago
  Considering I once worked at a company (in the US) where one programmer had for his Do Not Disturb sign a page that said "FUCK OFF" in giant letters, um... yeah? Granted this was in the video game industry. But actually even in my current corporate business application development job there's a healthy amount of swearing within the department, even from the boss. We don't use it when communicating with people outside the department though (well, usually).
- ajmurmann 10y ago
  It depends on the person. I did have a amazing high school math teacher who became interim director of the school who quite frequently used swear words. However, he did it usually in a entertaining rather than raging way. He was very popular with the students and a very effective teacher. Others would never swear and yet others occasionally. Just like normal people outside of a school setting. No parents ever complained are were concerned about it. They were just happy their kids were learning shit.
castis 10y ago
Because some parents are incapable of and/or unwilling to teaching their children right from wrong and will rely on the public education system to do it for them.