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Keep on downvoting, friends; as long as it makes you feel better :) Look, I'm sorry if I stepped on any ego toes; but I truly think most of the current practic

Keep on downvoting, friends; as long as it makes you feel better :) Look, I'm sorry if I stepped on any ego toes; but I truly think most of the current practice is a mess of bad ideas and duct tape, and I have plenty of experience to back that up. Disagreeing is one thing, shooting messengers at any cost is counter-productive. I'm sharing ideas, you're arguing definitions.

Traubenfuchs 10y ago
I don't care about voting, but it's understandable: This is but a templating library written in non self explanatory Lisp with a bizarre rollback feature.
- codr4life 10y ago
  And from another, more constructive perspective it's the beginnings of a modular, extensible virtual DOM implementation in perfectly acceptable Common Lisp with transaction support. Is this the way you look at the world in general, with -10 negative bias? Or did I hurt you ego somehow?
  - Traubenfuchs 10y ago
    I did not cast a vote, I merely tried to explain the reasons others might have had for downvoting, since it obviously upset you and you seemingly didn't understand why others downvoted.
    - codr4life 10y ago
      Trust me, I'm more amused at the level of ego scrambling than upset about anything. My goal is to make sure the ideas reach out through the noise of ignorance; and they are, despite all the huffing and puffing in this thread.
reaktivo 10y ago
You make it pretty clear the ego being hurt doesn't belong to any of the commenters.
- codr4life 10y ago
  Nothing could be further from the truth, my only beef is that nothing of substance has been said; anyone with eyes to see would tell you the same. The fact that you feel the need to push the useless bullshit further tells a story of sore toes and little else.
zodiac 10y ago
The definitions are important. I agree with your message (your thing is better than say rails templating) but virtual DOM basically means "react-style virtual DOM, implemented in client side JavaScript, with fast diff support, used to infer updates" now, instead of your definition of it.
- codr4life 10y ago
  When did React become the definition of anything? Why not Seaside? They came up with the idea around 15 years before React entered the scene. This is pure stupid, straight through. It's a DOM and it's virtual, hence a virtual DOM.
  - zodiac 10y ago
    No it's not stupid - your etymology makes much less sense to me. DOM in virtual DOM refers to the tree that browsers use internally and provide an API against, not just any tree like structure that can be serialized to HTML (which seems to be your definition). That's why it's referred to as "the DOM" with a definite article. The "virtual" part then means something like "shadow" as in a copy that is kept in sync. By that definition you didn't create a "virtual DOM". What is your definition of "virtual", "DOM" and "virtual DOM"?
    - codr4life 10y ago
      Feel free to define whatever however you want. This is a virtual DOM, because that is what the expression means; who's most popular right now matters not at all. And the only reason you feel obliged to drag the discussion down to this level is because it makes you feel insecure. You would do well to learn to like that feeling instead, that leads forward.
      - zodiac 10y ago
        Well, I'm asking you to tell me why you think your thing is a "virtual DOM". And your only response on this thread is "this is a virtual DOM, because that is what the expression means". Why is it what the expression means?

Traubenfuchs 10y ago

I don't care about voting, but it's understandable: This is but a templating library written in non self explanatory Lisp with a bizarre rollback feature.

codr4life 10y ago
And from another, more constructive perspective it's the beginnings of a modular, extensible virtual DOM implementation in perfectly acceptable Common Lisp with transaction support. Is this the way you look at the world in general, with -10 negative bias? Or did I hurt you ego somehow?
- Traubenfuchs 10y ago
  I did not cast a vote, I merely tried to explain the reasons others might have had for downvoting, since it obviously upset you and you seemingly didn't understand why others downvoted.
  - codr4life 10y ago
    Trust me, I'm more amused at the level of ego scrambling than upset about anything. My goal is to make sure the ideas reach out through the noise of ignorance; and they are, despite all the huffing and puffing in this thread.

reaktivo 10y ago

You make it pretty clear the ego being hurt doesn't belong to any of the commenters.

codr4life 10y ago
Nothing could be further from the truth, my only beef is that nothing of substance has been said; anyone with eyes to see would tell you the same. The fact that you feel the need to push the useless bullshit further tells a story of sore toes and little else.

zodiac 10y ago

The definitions are important. I agree with your message (your thing is better than say rails templating) but virtual DOM basically means "react-style virtual DOM, implemented in client side JavaScript, with fast diff support, used to infer updates" now, instead of your definition of it.

codr4life 10y ago
When did React become the definition of anything? Why not Seaside? They came up with the idea around 15 years before React entered the scene. This is pure stupid, straight through. It's a DOM and it's virtual, hence a virtual DOM.
- zodiac 10y ago
  No it's not stupid - your etymology makes much less sense to me. DOM in virtual DOM refers to the tree that browsers use internally and provide an API against, not just any tree like structure that can be serialized to HTML (which seems to be your definition). That's why it's referred to as "the DOM" with a definite article. The "virtual" part then means something like "shadow" as in a copy that is kept in sync. By that definition you didn't create a "virtual DOM". What is your definition of "virtual", "DOM" and "virtual DOM"?
  - codr4life 10y ago
    Feel free to define whatever however you want. This is a virtual DOM, because that is what the expression means; who's most popular right now matters not at all. And the only reason you feel obliged to drag the discussion down to this level is because it makes you feel insecure. You would do well to learn to like that feeling instead, that leads forward.
    - zodiac 10y ago
      Well, I'm asking you to tell me why you think your thing is a "virtual DOM". And your only response on this thread is "this is a virtual DOM, because that is what the expression means". Why is it what the expression means?