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> He has taken to blatantly and explicitly lying about simple verifiable facts, and doubling down on those lies when challenged. I'm not saying that's not true

by boona 10y ago

> He has taken to blatantly and explicitly lying about simple verifiable facts, and doubling down on those lies when challenged. I'm not saying that's not true (I'm not a Trump supporter), but what sticks out to you as an instance of him doubling down on a lie? Edit: It's disappointing to be down voted rather than being directly engaged. If you have a beef with what I said, please tell me where I've erred. I would love to change my mind on this topic. This is Hacker News after all, not Reddit.

lewisl9029 10y ago
Does "millions of illegal voters" ring a bell?
- 1337biz 10y ago
  What has Jil Stein to do with that story?
mwpmaybe 10y ago
Start here: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/pants-fire/ http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/stateme... How about: * Lying about his past opposition to the Iraq war * Lying about Russia only hacking the DNC (they hacked the RNC too, or at least tried to, but didn't release anything) * Lying about the size of the crowd at his inauguration * Lying about his "historic" electoral win (it wasn't) * Lying about the election being rigged against him (before the election) * Lying about the state of African American communities * Lying about inner-city crime rates * Lying about Obama and Clinton literally "founding" ISIS * Lying about Ted Cruz's father being involved in the JFK assassination * Lying about his charitable donations and activities * Lying about his inability to release his tax returns because of an ongoing IRS audit * Lying about his association with David Duke and the white national movement * Lying about his history and relationship with Vladimir Putin That's just a taste. I could go on.
- SnowFace 10y ago
  Shame on you. You don't like his politics, fine, but cut the propaganda. > Lying about his past support for the Iraq war Go watch his Howard Stern interview yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OU_Vrb_QXo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OU_Vrb_QXo. Listen at how indecisive he is for that question compared to the rest of the interview. It's wishy washy. It's hesitant. It's not a statement of support to call someone a liar over, unless you have an agenda.
  - mwpmaybe 10y ago
    "I was totally against the war in Iraq." — Donald Trump on NBC News in 2016[0] That's a lie, and one he's repeated often. Wishy-washy, hesitant support for a thing is not the same as being totally against a thing. His assertion that he was in opposition to it from the very beginning is a deliberate, egregious misrepresentation of his past views intended to convey authority on a subject that he simply does not possess. I'll update the wording of my initial point to be more clear, since you have my original wording quoted here for posterity. 0. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/07/the-first-hillary-clinton-vs-donald-trump-showdown-of-2016-annotated/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/07/th...
    - SnowFace 10y ago
      "Look at the war in Iraq and the mess that we’re in. I would never have handled it that way. Does anybody really believe that Iraq is going to be a wonderful democracy where people are going to run down to the voting box and gently put in their ballot and the winner is happily going to step up to lead the county? C’mon. Two minutes after we leave, there’s going to be a revolution, and the meanest, toughest, smartest, most vicious guy will take over. And he’ll have weapons of mass destruction, which Saddam didn’t have. - Trump in Esquire 2004
      - mwpmaybe 10y ago
        Sure. A lot of people were against it after it started, especially when it began to go south. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about statements like this: "[H]ad I been in Congress at the time of the invasion, I would have cast a vote in opposition." — Donald Trump at an education event on 8-Sep-2016[0] Considering that the vote was on 11-Oct-2002, and we have audio of Trump expressing hesitant, wishy-washy support for the war on 11-Sep-2002, that is almost certainly not true. 0. https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-09-10/ap-fact-check-trumps-false-claim-of-opposing-the-iraq-war https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-09-10/ap-...
dang 10y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13727728 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13727728 and marked it off-topic.

by boona 10y ago

lewisl9029 10y ago

Does "millions of illegal voters" ring a bell?

1337biz 10y ago
What has Jil Stein to do with that story?

mwpmaybe 10y ago

Start here: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/pants-fire/ http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/stateme... How about: * Lying about his past opposition to the Iraq war * Lying about Russia only hacking the DNC (they hacked the RNC too, or at least tried to, but didn't release anything) * Lying about the size of the crowd at his inauguration * Lying about his "historic" electoral win (it wasn't) * Lying about the election being rigged against him (before the election) * Lying about the state of African American communities * Lying about inner-city crime rates * Lying about Obama and Clinton literally "founding" ISIS * Lying about Ted Cruz's father being involved in the JFK assassination * Lying about his charitable donations and activities * Lying about his inability to release his tax returns because of an ongoing IRS audit * Lying about his association with David Duke and the white national movement * Lying about his history and relationship with Vladimir Putin That's just a taste. I could go on.

SnowFace 10y ago
Shame on you. You don't like his politics, fine, but cut the propaganda. > Lying about his past support for the Iraq war Go watch his Howard Stern interview yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OU_Vrb_QXo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OU_Vrb_QXo. Listen at how indecisive he is for that question compared to the rest of the interview. It's wishy washy. It's hesitant. It's not a statement of support to call someone a liar over, unless you have an agenda.
- mwpmaybe 10y ago
  "I was totally against the war in Iraq." — Donald Trump on NBC News in 2016[0] That's a lie, and one he's repeated often. Wishy-washy, hesitant support for a thing is not the same as being totally against a thing. His assertion that he was in opposition to it from the very beginning is a deliberate, egregious misrepresentation of his past views intended to convey authority on a subject that he simply does not possess. I'll update the wording of my initial point to be more clear, since you have my original wording quoted here for posterity. 0. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/07/the-first-hillary-clinton-vs-donald-trump-showdown-of-2016-annotated/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/07/th...
  - SnowFace 10y ago
    "Look at the war in Iraq and the mess that we’re in. I would never have handled it that way. Does anybody really believe that Iraq is going to be a wonderful democracy where people are going to run down to the voting box and gently put in their ballot and the winner is happily going to step up to lead the county? C’mon. Two minutes after we leave, there’s going to be a revolution, and the meanest, toughest, smartest, most vicious guy will take over. And he’ll have weapons of mass destruction, which Saddam didn’t have. - Trump in Esquire 2004
    - mwpmaybe 10y ago
      Sure. A lot of people were against it after it started, especially when it began to go south. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about statements like this: "[H]ad I been in Congress at the time of the invasion, I would have cast a vote in opposition." — Donald Trump at an education event on 8-Sep-2016[0] Considering that the vote was on 11-Oct-2002, and we have audio of Trump expressing hesitant, wishy-washy support for the war on 11-Sep-2002, that is almost certainly not true. 0. https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-09-10/ap-fact-check-trumps-false-claim-of-opposing-the-iraq-war https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-09-10/ap-...

dang 10y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13727728 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13727728 and marked it off-topic.