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I feel terrible for the employees there who aren't part of the mess that management created. Not so much for the management or investors. This industry (it's m

by sidlls 10y ago

I feel terrible for the employees there who aren't part of the mess that management created. Not so much for the management or investors. This industry (it's mainly in the Bay area and "startup culture" in general, but it exists outside it as well) is rife with intolerant, sexist, ego-driven boys in adult male bodies. It's well past time to correct that problem.

givinguflac 10y ago
Yes I feel bad for the independent contractors too.. /s
legulere 10y ago
Well they are part in a company that is trying to destroy the livelihood of hard working taxi drivers partly by pushing illegal practices. And please don't assume that the taxi business needs disruption globally because the place where you live can't regulate taxis properly. So no reason to feel terrible for them.
- sidlls 10y ago
  That's a separate issue from this. One I have mixed feelings about, because in general employees, even software sector employees in the Bay Area, have less choice and agency when it comes to employment than the capital owning class has. So while they are helping a company break the law I'm not so quick to make them accomplices per se.
  - alphonsegaston 10y ago
    It's not really separate because their problem is the baseline amorality of their company culture. The disregard for laws, threatening journalists, subprime lending, and abusive work practices are all part and parcel of this. Maybe years ago you could have excused this all away, but at this point you're throwing your lot in with this pattern of sociopathic behavior, hoping that Kalanick's gaslit apologies will guarantee your stock options.
    - sidlls 10y ago
      I'm hoping you're using "your" to refer to Uber employees and shareholders. I'm not either of those things. I can't really agree or disagree with you. You make some valid points, but I think it's also valid to note that employees--even ones who sign up with Uber going forward--generally haven't as much choice and that some of them, at least, are signing on for lack of alternatives.
      - alphonsegaston 10y ago
        Apologies. Yes, I meant it in the general sense.

by sidlls 10y ago

givinguflac 10y ago

Yes I feel bad for the independent contractors too.. /s

legulere 10y ago

Well they are part in a company that is trying to destroy the livelihood of hard working taxi drivers partly by pushing illegal practices. And please don't assume that the taxi business needs disruption globally because the place where you live can't regulate taxis properly. So no reason to feel terrible for them.

sidlls 10y ago
That's a separate issue from this. One I have mixed feelings about, because in general employees, even software sector employees in the Bay Area, have less choice and agency when it comes to employment than the capital owning class has. So while they are helping a company break the law I'm not so quick to make them accomplices per se.
- alphonsegaston 10y ago
  It's not really separate because their problem is the baseline amorality of their company culture. The disregard for laws, threatening journalists, subprime lending, and abusive work practices are all part and parcel of this. Maybe years ago you could have excused this all away, but at this point you're throwing your lot in with this pattern of sociopathic behavior, hoping that Kalanick's gaslit apologies will guarantee your stock options.
  - sidlls 10y ago
    I'm hoping you're using "your" to refer to Uber employees and shareholders. I'm not either of those things. I can't really agree or disagree with you. You make some valid points, but I think it's also valid to note that employees--even ones who sign up with Uber going forward--generally haven't as much choice and that some of them, at least, are signing on for lack of alternatives.
    - alphonsegaston 10y ago
      Apologies. Yes, I meant it in the general sense.