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As an EU citizen, I wonder how this conflicts with EU legislation. As I understand it, if Google holds data in the EU, then EU law says that they may not move t
by nemoniac 10y ago
As an EU citizen, I wonder how this conflicts with EU legislation. As I understand it, if Google holds data in the EU, then EU law says that they may not move the data outside the EU without the data owner's permission. Now the USA insists that Google move data from (among other places) the EU to the USA based on a USA warrant.
This could make gmail pretty much a non-starter for many uses in the EU and may possibly even make it problematic for some email users to correspond with a gmail address.
- aanm1988 10y ago> Each account holder resides in the United States, the crimes they are suspected of committing occurred solely in the United States, and the electronic data at issue was exchanged between persons located in the United States. I don't feel like this is a bad call. Wasn't there a judgement recently that non-US residents can't have their stuff searched just based on a US warrant?
- mdekkers 10y agoWasn't there a judgement recently that non-US residents can't have their stuff searched just based on a US warrant? Ha! Somebody forgot to tell the Kim Dotcom cops!
- neom 10y agoI'm pretty sure it's all covered in here: https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/180815.pdf https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/180815.pdf
- shubb 10y agoI wonder how it will effect other vendors - ms is hosting email and storage for lots of UK.gov and health stuff, also amazon.
- filoleg 10y agoI don't know about amazon, but MSFT seems to have this issue covered with a completely separate non-public Azure Germany region. https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/overview/clouds/germany/ https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/overview/clouds/germany/
- inkblot11 10y agoData "ownership" is a somewhat complex issue. When Google, or any other data broker offers some service in exchange for the data, they are obtaining their own data from the user. The idea of "ownership" in that case differs, as the content and 'meaning' of the data is now no longer owned by the original owner. In fact, the data itself has lost all or much of its value in "ownership" or "privacy" by the user, and this is reflected in an economic sense by the bulk pricing data brokers like Google, etc... offer through various services for adverts, etc. In terms of "moving data" by means of "ownership", Google and the other companies, already state in their ToS that they can move the data between locales at their whim. The servers, hardware and networks they utilize are owned or rented by them. Paired with the ToS, and the simple fact that Google offers these services in exchange to exploit their users' data as a currency, Google is not concerned about the privacy aspects. They are simply concerned about the value of the data they are gathering.
- BrandoElFollito 10y agoLegally speaking, in the EU, you can put whatever you want in your ToS but if they conflict with EU law they are void. Practically speaking, I agree with you.