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Or how quickly Facebook/Google/Twitter would comply with some classified FBI/NSA directive to provide the data anyway. The first mistake is trusting these netw

Or how quickly Facebook/Google/Twitter would comply with some classified FBI/NSA directive to provide the data anyway. The first mistake is trusting these networks with your personal life in the first place. Nothing can erase that except your ability and willpower to keep your secrets to yourself.

maxerickson 10y ago
Illegitimate government actions are sort of out of scope for this discussion though (which is about convincing companies to mitigate legitimate government actions). As for your second point, there's no going back for an awful lot of people. And holding that aside, it's a sad world where using a computer to communicate is somehow a mistake.
ksenzee 10y ago
Note that CBP does not have access to all the data NSA has gathered. If they did, we wouldn't be talking about this at all; they'd already have everything they wanted.
- JoshTriplett 10y ago
  Relying on dysfunctional communication between portions of government doesn't seem like a sustainable strategy.
  - idlewords 10y ago
    It's not dysfunctional communication, it's legally mandated boundaries enforced by an independent judiciary. Don't cede the thing you're fighting for.
    - JoshTriplett 10y ago
      > It's not dysfunctional communication, it's legally mandated boundaries enforced by an independent judiciary. Do you really think that wouldn't dissolve in the face of "we already have the information, we're just improving communication between government organizations"? They shouldn't collect the information in the first place.
  - bigiain 10y ago
    I've already accepted that if the NSA is interested in me, they'll acquire _any_ cloud hosted data about me (and if they're a little more curious, most likely every bit of non-cloud data stored on my personal hardware too). I _still_ want to be able to defend myself and the people in my social graph against a bored/curious/vindictive/power-tripping CBP agent looking for excuses to meet their "must reject at least $N bearded border crossers per shift" quotas...

maxerickson 10y ago

Illegitimate government actions are sort of out of scope for this discussion though (which is about convincing companies to mitigate legitimate government actions). As for your second point, there's no going back for an awful lot of people. And holding that aside, it's a sad world where using a computer to communicate is somehow a mistake.

ksenzee 10y ago

Note that CBP does not have access to all the data NSA has gathered. If they did, we wouldn't be talking about this at all; they'd already have everything they wanted.

JoshTriplett 10y ago
Relying on dysfunctional communication between portions of government doesn't seem like a sustainable strategy.
- idlewords 10y ago
  It's not dysfunctional communication, it's legally mandated boundaries enforced by an independent judiciary. Don't cede the thing you're fighting for.
  - JoshTriplett 10y ago
    > It's not dysfunctional communication, it's legally mandated boundaries enforced by an independent judiciary. Do you really think that wouldn't dissolve in the face of "we already have the information, we're just improving communication between government organizations"? They shouldn't collect the information in the first place.
- bigiain 10y ago
  I've already accepted that if the NSA is interested in me, they'll acquire _any_ cloud hosted data about me (and if they're a little more curious, most likely every bit of non-cloud data stored on my personal hardware too). I _still_ want to be able to defend myself and the people in my social graph against a bored/curious/vindictive/power-tripping CBP agent looking for excuses to meet their "must reject at least $N bearded border crossers per shift" quotas...