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I can give him a data point from outside the US, from one of the other progressive, English speaking countries in the world, New Zealand: I don't know if it ha

I can give him a data point from outside the US, from one of the other progressive, English speaking countries in the world, New Zealand: I don't know if it has fully sunk in yet to the US populace how completely they have humiliated themselves, on the world stage. We don't get exposed to Fox, or Breitbart, or even CNN. I get most of my international news from the BBC, for example. From our perspective, the election was between a normal, typical US politician, and a madman. And when the dust settled, you lot put a clown in charge of your country. I remember first thinking, oddly, that the biggest loss was your media. How can anyone watch 24, or Olympus Has Fallen or any of the other films and TV shows where you glorify your president? The stern, respectable, dignified leader that the hero must protect or save? How could such a plot exist now, or in future, and be watched with a straight face?

archagon 10y ago
What's even more humiliating is how (apparently) indifferent — or even accepting — parts of the tech community and Silicon Valley are of this development. (See all the "it's PC culture's fault" in this thread and elsewhere.) It's overwhelmingly obvious that we're in deep shit. Regardless of their beliefs and politics, people who self-label as "smart" should be fucking livid.
- mildbow 10y ago
  Self-labeled smart people are the ones with the biggest blind-spots. Also, how would being livid help?
- drzaiusapelord 10y ago
  Yep this. We have this "lets be friends" piece from Altman which seems to be a hamfisted way to address a rift in SV, instead of the sobering reflection of what a Trump win means for actual US citizens. This thread is nothing but making strawmen out of liberals. I'm liberal and I do none of these things mentioned. Its incredible to me that the Trump win has left him as a being we are not allowed to criticize because "he won, drool lib-tards" and now we're being attacked because we dared support the science behind climate change, rights for the lgbq community, the benefits of globalization, immigration, equality for women, women's right to choose, women's rights to birth control, non-discrimination based on race or religion, a strong NATO, a strong EU partnership, environmental protections, and not conceding our role in the global community to blood-thirsty autocrats like Putin and Assad. Lastly, Trump lost the popular vote by 3m votes and only a month in has a 39% approval rating and is mired in a dozen scandals that would have left a Democratic POTUS on the road to impeachment. So the idea that Trump represents anything but the typical GOP lockstep vote is ridiculous. The Electoral College works against the popular vote. There was no mandate or popular movement. If there was we'd see more votes and a vastly higher approval rating. In other words, just because Hilary was a weak candidate does not mean Trump was a strong one. So somehow, to guys like Altman, I'm the extremist and out of touch? Come on. Lets stop putting feels over reals to make deep pocketed conservative SV financiers like Peter Thiel happy.
curuinor 10y ago
I tend to believe that there are fairly deep similarities in the US's situation and Korea's situation four years ago.
rkuykendall-com 10y ago
> the biggest loss was your media [...] The stern, respectable, dignified leader that the hero must protect... After the Obama Spider-Man cover in 2008, I've been carefully watching Marvel comics for any appearance of the US president. I've seen a few phone-call presidents which the reader can imagine as anyone, and one appearance of the president shown in silhouette, from the back, with a glimpse of darker skin. This was published after the inauguration, but likely drawn during the lame duck period. No comment, just some anecdotal notes on how some creators are handling this.
creaghpatr 10y ago
BBC is state-controlled media with a vested interest in shaping your perception, for better or for worse.
- callumlocke 10y ago
  The BBC has its own biases, like any media organisation. But it's not state-controlled.
mnm1 10y ago
Exactly. And now we are being asked to be understanding of the people who voted for this madman and accused of being intolerant for not accepting the bullshit they spew (see most of the quotes from this article), all in the name of not being divisive. What Sam Altman didn't hear from Trump supporters was any mention of an actual political issue, other than abortion. I'd say that speaks a lot louder than any of the things they are willing to talk about. I hear the suffering and pain in what people say, but zero discussion of the actual issues that are the cause of that. What isn't said speaks a lot louder in this case.
lostsock 10y ago
Totally agree. Here in Australia I consume multiple sources of news and pretty much the only message we are getting is that Trump is a joke and / or completely insane. While there may be a short term boost for American's putting themselves first the fact is that in even a few short weeks other countries are starting to realise being "all in" with the US is not a viable strategy with Trump in charge. Long term I think countries that have traditionally been staunch allies of the US will now at least be open to other suitors which until a few weeks ago would have been pretty much unthinkable.
thescribe 10y ago
I think you are making an assumption of shared value. To many trump supporters the idea that international approval matters is somehow repugnant.

archagon 10y ago

What's even more humiliating is how (apparently) indifferent — or even accepting — parts of the tech community and Silicon Valley are of this development. (See all the "it's PC culture's fault" in this thread and elsewhere.) It's overwhelmingly obvious that we're in deep shit. Regardless of their beliefs and politics, people who self-label as "smart" should be fucking livid.

mildbow 10y ago
Self-labeled smart people are the ones with the biggest blind-spots. Also, how would being livid help?
drzaiusapelord 10y ago
Yep this. We have this "lets be friends" piece from Altman which seems to be a hamfisted way to address a rift in SV, instead of the sobering reflection of what a Trump win means for actual US citizens. This thread is nothing but making strawmen out of liberals. I'm liberal and I do none of these things mentioned. Its incredible to me that the Trump win has left him as a being we are not allowed to criticize because "he won, drool lib-tards" and now we're being attacked because we dared support the science behind climate change, rights for the lgbq community, the benefits of globalization, immigration, equality for women, women's right to choose, women's rights to birth control, non-discrimination based on race or religion, a strong NATO, a strong EU partnership, environmental protections, and not conceding our role in the global community to blood-thirsty autocrats like Putin and Assad. Lastly, Trump lost the popular vote by 3m votes and only a month in has a 39% approval rating and is mired in a dozen scandals that would have left a Democratic POTUS on the road to impeachment. So the idea that Trump represents anything but the typical GOP lockstep vote is ridiculous. The Electoral College works against the popular vote. There was no mandate or popular movement. If there was we'd see more votes and a vastly higher approval rating. In other words, just because Hilary was a weak candidate does not mean Trump was a strong one. So somehow, to guys like Altman, I'm the extremist and out of touch? Come on. Lets stop putting feels over reals to make deep pocketed conservative SV financiers like Peter Thiel happy.

curuinor 10y ago

I tend to believe that there are fairly deep similarities in the US's situation and Korea's situation four years ago.

rkuykendall-com 10y ago

> the biggest loss was your media [...] The stern, respectable, dignified leader that the hero must protect... After the Obama Spider-Man cover in 2008, I've been carefully watching Marvel comics for any appearance of the US president. I've seen a few phone-call presidents which the reader can imagine as anyone, and one appearance of the president shown in silhouette, from the back, with a glimpse of darker skin. This was published after the inauguration, but likely drawn during the lame duck period. No comment, just some anecdotal notes on how some creators are handling this.

creaghpatr 10y ago

BBC is state-controlled media with a vested interest in shaping your perception, for better or for worse.

callumlocke 10y ago
The BBC has its own biases, like any media organisation. But it's not state-controlled.

mnm1 10y ago

Exactly. And now we are being asked to be understanding of the people who voted for this madman and accused of being intolerant for not accepting the bullshit they spew (see most of the quotes from this article), all in the name of not being divisive. What Sam Altman didn't hear from Trump supporters was any mention of an actual political issue, other than abortion. I'd say that speaks a lot louder than any of the things they are willing to talk about. I hear the suffering and pain in what people say, but zero discussion of the actual issues that are the cause of that. What isn't said speaks a lot louder in this case.

lostsock 10y ago

Totally agree. Here in Australia I consume multiple sources of news and pretty much the only message we are getting is that Trump is a joke and / or completely insane. While there may be a short term boost for American's putting themselves first the fact is that in even a few short weeks other countries are starting to realise being "all in" with the US is not a viable strategy with Trump in charge. Long term I think countries that have traditionally been staunch allies of the US will now at least be open to other suitors which until a few weeks ago would have been pretty much unthinkable.

thescribe 10y ago

I think you are making an assumption of shared value. To many trump supporters the idea that international approval matters is somehow repugnant.