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That doesn't excuse all the guilty-until-proven-innocent pitchforking going on right now.
by tiglilly329 10y ago
That doesn't excuse all the guilty-until-proven-innocent pitchforking going on right now.
- tomlock 10y agoYou should abandon your throwaway and talk to some of your lady friends in tech about their experiences. See for yourself if their anecdotes build up into something approaching quantitative - and ask them if anything was ever done about their complaints - or if they even felt safe enough to complain to the people they ought to feel safe around.
- tiglilly329 10y agoWhat's your point? That harassment occurs frequently and is often mishandled? I never disputed that.
- tomlock 10y agoUnderstood. You should get your lady friends in tech to read the comments you posted on a throwaway. Do you think they'll feel safer around you?
- throwawaymaroon 10y agoyich. pointing out that we're an audience without legal standing, playing with pitchforks, is not harassment or condoning harassment.
- tomlock 10y agoThat's the sound your lady friends would be making if they knew the moral imperative you felt after reading that blog post was to defend the judicial system from comments on this website.
- throwawaymaroon 10y agoas a leftist... I can only feel the left is fucked. on the other hand, I am arguing in a thread that contains that complete altrightgarbletwat banned below. on the other other hand, your aggrieved-on-behalf-of-my-lady-friends stance is just so freaking overwrought and gross. you're attacking a position that no one has advocated for, with the exception of the altrightgarbletwat. go bug him. and final edit: by the way, the moral imperative I advocate for is to burn these companies to the ground and to scald capitalists with their own failures. it wouldn't matter to me if Uber managed a PR save here because Uber's shitty heart will not change and nothing of value will be lost when it dies. do you get it? a system will do the bare minimum to exonerate itself and continue perpetuating the SV failures of greed and misplaced tech idealism: there's no story here because it doesn't fucking surprise anyone clued when someone comes out with yet another harassment story in tech and it doesn't fucking mean anything when some token firings take place over the next few weeks. Uber will still be a piece of shit unsustainable company in a tech world coopted by greedy would-be visionaries, hopefully destined for the scrap heap in the near future. my lady friends don't need you here. read up on performative allyship and then check a mirror.
- tomlock 10y agoYou're responding to a post where I suggested a throwaway comment should be discussed with real people, irl. What position do you think I'm defending?
- throwawaymaroon 10y agoI wouldn't describe your participation in this thread with anything so advanced as a "position." You're just providing a bundle of sanctimonious outrage on behalf of others. edit: for the record, tomlock, I think you should keep giving hell to the deplorables in threads like this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13684668 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13684668 and some of the other ones. just don't get full of yourself.
- benchaney 10y agoSo you can't dispute his claims with evidence so you are just going to insist that women would be offended by them. Seems legit.
- tomlock 10y agoI'm sorry. What evidence would be sufficient?
- benchaney 10y agoIt depends on what claim you want to dispute, but insisting that women would be offended by what he said certainly isn't sufficient.
- hueving 10y agoI think this kind of thing is uncalled for when all the commenter just pointed out that we should wait for some kind of evaluation of evidence before pitchforking. The entire justice system in the US is founded on "innocent until proven guilty". In pitchfork-heavy threads like this, pointing that out should not result in an implication that you make women feel unsafe. You are implying that women should feel unsafe around someone who suggests waiting for a legal resolution to a very serious problem before jumping to conclusions.
- tomlock 10y agoDo you think women feel more or less safe around people who, given an egregious example of harassment, instead leap to the defense of the six silicon valley companies they've worked for or to criticise the NYT?
- hueving 10y agoI don't know who the strawman you are attacking is, but it's definitely not me. >given an egregious example of harassment I upvoted her story. It's a terrible case and it needs to be investigated ASAP. >instead leap to the defense of the six silicon valley companies they've worked for or to criticise the NYT The comment you are referring to is in response to the NYT turning a serious, specific issue into some larger political propaganda piece about women in all of silicon valley. Additionally, the NYT hurt her case by comparing it to one where a jury ultimately decided that the accuser was wrong.
- tomlock 10y ago>I upvoted her story. It's a terrible case and it needs to be investigated ASAP. Maybe, just maybe, you should put this above the fold next time.
- throwawaymaroon 10y agohaha, this is as close as we're going to get to tomlock capitulating. close it down everyone, minor irrelevant point in favor of cooler heads prevailing won, we can go on to armchair lawyering the next public media frenzy.
- uwnigga 10y agoAh, look at this cuck. Lady friend. Do you masturbate to her cuckold?. That hoe might be lying and very likely made up the story for her book promotion. Can't wait to be proven false and crucify her.
- gravyboat 10y agoWhy would she lie about something like this? If she's lying then her career will be wrecked, and Uber will hit her with a defamation lawsuit that will ruin her life and finances.