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Can you reframe your first sentence based on the fact that a sign with "Death to All Jews" was used? I don't understand the word "actually", is it to clarify t

Can you reframe your first sentence based on the fact that a sign with "Death to All Jews" was used? I don't understand the word "actually", is it to clarify that he only holds artistic feelings relating to this content he made? I don't see how his post-mortem intent negates the actuality, which is that people took offense to the poor taste, as you've noted, of the stunt. The companies have no obligation (Aside from contractual) to work with him. He made content that they deemed to be bad enough to end their relationship, that's on him, no matter the intention.

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senior_james 10y ago
"Can you reframe your first sentence based on the fact that a sign with "Death to All Jews" was used? " Yes. it's like saying someone is racist for having a picture of a racist sign in an article about racism in America. Context is everything and removing it to intentionally discredit someone and destroy their livelihood reminds me of actual Hitler tactics. The self-proclaimed 'anti-fascists' are the actual fascists. "The companies have no obligation (Aside from contractual) to work with him. He made content that they deemed to be bad enough to end their relationship, that's on him, no matter the intention." This is a dangerous path as well. Should a conservative business owner be able to fire anyone in their company that supports abortion? Should A trump supporter be able to fire anyone in their company that supported Hillary? Sure, they aren't violating any laws. But we are creating an extremely divisive culture where opposing viewpoints can't be expressed without fear of reprisal and the result is violence. A few years back, I remember when a few companies opposed supporting birth control and abortions and didn't want to pay for it through employee healthcare plans. There were so many people (including here on HN) claiming that companies have no rights and they shouldn't even be given the choice. Now that it supports your political opinion, companies have the right to not do business with anyone they wish. So hypocritical.
- sdflkd 10y ago
  > This is a dangerous path as well. Should a conservative business owner be able to fire anyone in their company that supports abortion? > Should A trump supporter be able to fire anyone in their company that supported Hillary? If they can give a good reason like it influencing public perception and damaging business, then yes.
  - xchaotic 10y ago
    First of all that might be illegal - for example firing a pregnant person (because you are a 'conservative' and think that there shouldn't be a maternity leave). But in Pew's case it's hard to judge what's the worse PR - his unfunny videos or Google letting him go (for him having a different opinion)
  - bmelton 10y ago
    At a federal level, they wouldn't need to provide a good reason. Political affiliation is not a protected class, and therefore has no protections against at-will termination. This may vary state by state, depending on what their laws are.
- John23832 10y ago
  Nobody has to like your opinion, nor do they have to associate with you if they don't like your opinion. Your argument puts the onus on the person being offended to change their stance and accept offense. The system works when either side can choose to associate with the other only if the y want to.
- alextheparrot 10y ago
  I'd like to ask you to refrain from calling me (and others like or against me) a hypocrite without understanding my viewpoints, nor making any attempt to.
- zaccus 10y ago
  >Should a conservative business owner be able to fire anyone in their company that supports abortion? Absolutely. Are you suggesting that a liberal employee should not be allowed to quit an anti-abortion company? >Should A trump supporter be able to fire anyone in their company that supported Hillary? Absolutely. Should a Hillary supporter not be allowed to quit a company that supported Trump? >I remember when a few companies opposed supporting birth control and abortions and didn't want to pay for it through employee healthcare plans. By law, all health insurance policies are required to provide this coverage. Those companies can still be vocally against abortion, but they still have to comply with the law. What if someone is religiously against traffic lights? Then their options are to follow the law or don't drive. Nothing to do with freedom of speech.

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senior_james 10y ago

"Can you reframe your first sentence based on the fact that a sign with "Death to All Jews" was used? " Yes. it's like saying someone is racist for having a picture of a racist sign in an article about racism in America. Context is everything and removing it to intentionally discredit someone and destroy their livelihood reminds me of actual Hitler tactics. The self-proclaimed 'anti-fascists' are the actual fascists. "The companies have no obligation (Aside from contractual) to work with him. He made content that they deemed to be bad enough to end their relationship, that's on him, no matter the intention." This is a dangerous path as well. Should a conservative business owner be able to fire anyone in their company that supports abortion? Should A trump supporter be able to fire anyone in their company that supported Hillary? Sure, they aren't violating any laws. But we are creating an extremely divisive culture where opposing viewpoints can't be expressed without fear of reprisal and the result is violence. A few years back, I remember when a few companies opposed supporting birth control and abortions and didn't want to pay for it through employee healthcare plans. There were so many people (including here on HN) claiming that companies have no rights and they shouldn't even be given the choice. Now that it supports your political opinion, companies have the right to not do business with anyone they wish. So hypocritical.

sdflkd 10y ago
> This is a dangerous path as well. Should a conservative business owner be able to fire anyone in their company that supports abortion? > Should A trump supporter be able to fire anyone in their company that supported Hillary? If they can give a good reason like it influencing public perception and damaging business, then yes.
- xchaotic 10y ago
  First of all that might be illegal - for example firing a pregnant person (because you are a 'conservative' and think that there shouldn't be a maternity leave). But in Pew's case it's hard to judge what's the worse PR - his unfunny videos or Google letting him go (for him having a different opinion)
- bmelton 10y ago
  At a federal level, they wouldn't need to provide a good reason. Political affiliation is not a protected class, and therefore has no protections against at-will termination. This may vary state by state, depending on what their laws are.
John23832 10y ago
Nobody has to like your opinion, nor do they have to associate with you if they don't like your opinion. Your argument puts the onus on the person being offended to change their stance and accept offense. The system works when either side can choose to associate with the other only if the y want to.
alextheparrot 10y ago
I'd like to ask you to refrain from calling me (and others like or against me) a hypocrite without understanding my viewpoints, nor making any attempt to.
zaccus 10y ago
>Should a conservative business owner be able to fire anyone in their company that supports abortion? Absolutely. Are you suggesting that a liberal employee should not be allowed to quit an anti-abortion company? >Should A trump supporter be able to fire anyone in their company that supported Hillary? Absolutely. Should a Hillary supporter not be allowed to quit a company that supported Trump? >I remember when a few companies opposed supporting birth control and abortions and didn't want to pay for it through employee healthcare plans. By law, all health insurance policies are required to provide this coverage. Those companies can still be vocally against abortion, but they still have to comply with the law. What if someone is religiously against traffic lights? Then their options are to follow the law or don't drive. Nothing to do with freedom of speech.