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squats are extremely dangerous, and I dont think anyone should do them. it only takes 1 set of bad form to permanently damage one's back or knees. that doesnt

by autokad 10y ago

squats are extremely dangerous, and I dont think anyone should do them. it only takes 1 set of bad form to permanently damage one's back or knees. that doesnt stop body builders from spreading the gospel of squats, even as they have copious knee and/or back problems.

harveywi 10y ago
Poppycock.
Neliquat 10y ago
This is patently untrue. Provide some data or get out of here. Squats are universally accepted as one of the best natural movements of the body to train.
- Osiris30 10y ago
  But neither is loading 3x your bodyweight onto your spine "natural". What does "universally accepted as one of the best natural movements" mean? - As you suggested to the previous comment, please "Provide some data or get out of here". It all depends on your objective and goals. As with everything moderation is key. A balanced program of squats, deads, pushing exercise (chest/pecs) and a pulling (back/delts) is best for oevrall muscle, bone and tendon health. Whether you do this via free weights, body weight, or machines is really not material. Rippetoe style heavy free-weight squats, squats and more squats is not the be all and end all of resistance training. Personally, I got into heavy strength training with Rippetoe's books and videos - and, IMHO, he did a great service by educating people about the benefits of heavy (free weight) strength training using a very very simple ('KISS') type program (at a time when the focus was on machines and overly complicated routines). His routines are great for beginners - especially very young ones - hence why they are copied and 're-mixed' so much (like Stronglifts 5x5 and countless variations thereof). And I would really not suggest heavy squats for improving grip strength - that would be a very inefficient way to train your hand grip. http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/squat-versus-leg-press-for-big-legs.html/ http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/squat-versus-le... http://www.thedreamlounge.net/barbell-squat-worst-exercise/ http://www.thedreamlounge.net/barbell-squat-worst-exercise/ http://ericcressey.com/newsletter91html http://ericcressey.com/newsletter91html https://criticalmas.com/2012/06/i-no-longer-give-a-squat-about-the-squat/ https://criticalmas.com/2012/06/i-no-longer-give-a-squat-abo... http://community.myprotein.com/off-topic/28225-mark-rippetoe-lyle-mcdonald-go-war-against-each-other.html http://community.myprotein.com/off-topic/28225-mark-rippetoe... https://forums.t-nation.com/t/rippetoe-ripped-apart/191700/7 https://forums.t-nation.com/t/rippetoe-ripped-apart/191700/7
- autokad 10y ago
  how is this natural? https://www.bodybuilding.com/images/2016/may/what-all-squaters-need-to-know-header-v2-830x467.jpg https://www.bodybuilding.com/images/2016/may/what-all-squate... i agree that squats CAN be good for you, but I am stating that the risks outweigh the benefits. Just one bad form squat in your entire life, and you can permanently damage your knees or back. there are much safer exercises that train the same muscles. as far as provide some data or get out of here, unfortunately I do not know of any good data source on weight lifting injuries and hazard rates. The best I have is baseball, the toll being in the squatting position takes on players knees is, to use some of the language you have used, 'universally accepted'.
mladenkovacevic 10y ago
This is merely an anecdote but I've had knee pain most of my life (since age 8 or 9). I started doing squats in my late 20s and by the time I reached my body weight I've never had knee pain since. I'm in my mid-30s now. I do recognize that with bad form and overloading your knees in the wrong way the result could easily have been completely blown out knees.
- jeffdavis 10y ago
  I use squats as part of my exercise routine to keep my knees in shape. Mostly near my body weight but lower recently because I haven't been doing it regularly enough. So pretty low weight.

by autokad 10y ago

harveywi 10y ago

Poppycock.

Neliquat 10y ago

This is patently untrue. Provide some data or get out of here. Squats are universally accepted as one of the best natural movements of the body to train.

Osiris30 10y ago
But neither is loading 3x your bodyweight onto your spine "natural". What does "universally accepted as one of the best natural movements" mean? - As you suggested to the previous comment, please "Provide some data or get out of here". It all depends on your objective and goals. As with everything moderation is key. A balanced program of squats, deads, pushing exercise (chest/pecs) and a pulling (back/delts) is best for oevrall muscle, bone and tendon health. Whether you do this via free weights, body weight, or machines is really not material. Rippetoe style heavy free-weight squats, squats and more squats is not the be all and end all of resistance training. Personally, I got into heavy strength training with Rippetoe's books and videos - and, IMHO, he did a great service by educating people about the benefits of heavy (free weight) strength training using a very very simple ('KISS') type program (at a time when the focus was on machines and overly complicated routines). His routines are great for beginners - especially very young ones - hence why they are copied and 're-mixed' so much (like Stronglifts 5x5 and countless variations thereof). And I would really not suggest heavy squats for improving grip strength - that would be a very inefficient way to train your hand grip. http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/squat-versus-leg-press-for-big-legs.html/ http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/squat-versus-le... http://www.thedreamlounge.net/barbell-squat-worst-exercise/ http://www.thedreamlounge.net/barbell-squat-worst-exercise/ http://ericcressey.com/newsletter91html http://ericcressey.com/newsletter91html https://criticalmas.com/2012/06/i-no-longer-give-a-squat-about-the-squat/ https://criticalmas.com/2012/06/i-no-longer-give-a-squat-abo... http://community.myprotein.com/off-topic/28225-mark-rippetoe-lyle-mcdonald-go-war-against-each-other.html http://community.myprotein.com/off-topic/28225-mark-rippetoe... https://forums.t-nation.com/t/rippetoe-ripped-apart/191700/7 https://forums.t-nation.com/t/rippetoe-ripped-apart/191700/7
autokad 10y ago
how is this natural? https://www.bodybuilding.com/images/2016/may/what-all-squaters-need-to-know-header-v2-830x467.jpg https://www.bodybuilding.com/images/2016/may/what-all-squate... i agree that squats CAN be good for you, but I am stating that the risks outweigh the benefits. Just one bad form squat in your entire life, and you can permanently damage your knees or back. there are much safer exercises that train the same muscles. as far as provide some data or get out of here, unfortunately I do not know of any good data source on weight lifting injuries and hazard rates. The best I have is baseball, the toll being in the squatting position takes on players knees is, to use some of the language you have used, 'universally accepted'.

mladenkovacevic 10y ago

This is merely an anecdote but I've had knee pain most of my life (since age 8 or 9). I started doing squats in my late 20s and by the time I reached my body weight I've never had knee pain since. I'm in my mid-30s now. I do recognize that with bad form and overloading your knees in the wrong way the result could easily have been completely blown out knees.

jeffdavis 10y ago
I use squats as part of my exercise routine to keep my knees in shape. Mostly near my body weight but lower recently because I haven't been doing it regularly enough. So pretty low weight.