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Please explain to me how complicated and demanding is the workflow of these "salespeople, real estate agents, pediatricians and beer distributors(!)" that you t

by exergy 10y ago

Please explain to me how complicated and demanding is the workflow of these "salespeople, real estate agents, pediatricians and beer distributors(!)" that you talk about? What exactly is stopping them from getting the smaller 12" MacBook? Or the infinite other ultrabooks available now? Something called the "Pro", and something that costs a pretty penny, shouldn't just cater to the ones out and about and only needing Excel.

Someone 10y ago
12" may be too small to show stuff to other people sitting around a table, or too uncomfortable on their eyes.
- lstamour 10y ago
  So they'll release a 15" version of the 12" soon enough. The point still stands: if Apple is the only ones making Macs, they need to cater to those who would prefer workstations or gaming rigs as the highest end "Pro" market. If it needs a separate graphics card, it's not for Excel...
  - techdragon 10y ago
    Let's be brutally realistic. They don't "need" to... We just really want them to.
    - marcosdumay 10y ago
      Time will tell that. They made their brand exactly by caring about the people they are throwing away now. It's not obvious if their brand will sustain itself without those people.
  - yoz-y 10y ago
    I think the ship on gaming macs has sailed. Apple has shown intermittent interest in high end computing, rendering, compilation and so. But the only "gaming" machine they ever produced is the iPad. None of their PCs was even remotely competitive with the competition and I believe they do not care. I think that the only thing that could "trick" them into making a gaming machine is VR, as it requires similar hardware.
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Veen 10y ago
I'm a writer, and I consider myself a "pro" in that field. I don't really need the power of the Macbook Pro, but I do need a larger retina screen. The Macbook Pro is really the only laptop Apple makes at the moment that fits my needs. I'm not sure why people who need high performance are so sniffy and condescending about those who don't. A requirement for massive computer resources doesn't make the work more valuable or respectable. Your moral worth is not linked to the number of processors you require to get your work done. > Or the infinite other ultrabooks available now? They don't run MacOS.
- megaduck 10y ago
  You're clearly the target market for these new MBPs, and that's great. Glad you have a machine that fits your needs. People with more strenuous computing needs are miffed because the MBP used to fit our use case, and now it doesn't. There isn't a single Apple product focused on the high performance market any more, and some of us are bitter.
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- arviewer 10y ago
  I don't mind that Apple offers very thin laptops that limit battery life, and make it impossible to change harddisks or add memory. The Macbook Air was the first, and it was great as it was. If there is a market for this, whether for professionals or not, they should sell them as much as then can. I do mind that they don't offer at least one good alternative that is "programmer pro": harddisk can be changed, RAM can be added, battery can be replaced and may be bigger. I really don't mind 5mm or even 1cm extra thickness if that gives me all this for a reasonable price. And the 2012 Macbook Pro (without retina) was offered up til last year, but that was no real option with four year old hardware and still for the same price.
  - rimantas 10y ago
    I am a programmer and changing RAM/disk/replaceable batteries are not on my list of things I need for work.
Klover 10y ago
>Something called the "Pro", and something that costs a pretty penny, shouldn't just cater to the ones out and about and only needing Excel. Do you know of that instant update feature in Excel? It automatically updates cells when you alter one, up to a certain performance point. My MacBook (non anything) stops doing so much faster than when I use a desktop. When I do process a line of heavier formulae I do have to also wait a fair amount longer than when I use a larger machine. And the pretty penny argument does not really hold up when you are talking about it as a company expense, due to the very favorable tax perspective.
- tinus_hn 10y ago
  > Do you know of that instant update feature in Excel? It automatically updates cells when you alter one, up to a certain performance point. My MacBook (non anything) stops doing so much faster than when I use a desktop. Sorry but that has to be one of the most ridiculous benchmarks I've seen in a long time.
  - cracoucax 10y ago
    It's not a benchmark, he's just saying that even excel users can have a need for powerful computers too
rayiner 10y ago
> What exactly is stopping them from getting the smaller 12" MacBook? Screen size. I'd personally love a 15" fanless MacBook.

by exergy 10y ago

Someone 10y ago

12" may be too small to show stuff to other people sitting around a table, or too uncomfortable on their eyes.

lstamour 10y ago
So they'll release a 15" version of the 12" soon enough. The point still stands: if Apple is the only ones making Macs, they need to cater to those who would prefer workstations or gaming rigs as the highest end "Pro" market. If it needs a separate graphics card, it's not for Excel...
- techdragon 10y ago
  Let's be brutally realistic. They don't "need" to... We just really want them to.
  - marcosdumay 10y ago
    Time will tell that. They made their brand exactly by caring about the people they are throwing away now. It's not obvious if their brand will sustain itself without those people.
- yoz-y 10y ago
  I think the ship on gaming macs has sailed. Apple has shown intermittent interest in high end computing, rendering, compilation and so. But the only "gaming" machine they ever produced is the iPad. None of their PCs was even remotely competitive with the competition and I believe they do not care. I think that the only thing that could "trick" them into making a gaming machine is VR, as it requires similar hardware.
- deleted 10y ago
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Veen 10y ago

I'm a writer, and I consider myself a "pro" in that field. I don't really need the power of the Macbook Pro, but I do need a larger retina screen. The Macbook Pro is really the only laptop Apple makes at the moment that fits my needs. I'm not sure why people who need high performance are so sniffy and condescending about those who don't. A requirement for massive computer resources doesn't make the work more valuable or respectable. Your moral worth is not linked to the number of processors you require to get your work done. > Or the infinite other ultrabooks available now? They don't run MacOS.

megaduck 10y ago
You're clearly the target market for these new MBPs, and that's great. Glad you have a machine that fits your needs. People with more strenuous computing needs are miffed because the MBP used to fit our use case, and now it doesn't. There isn't a single Apple product focused on the high performance market any more, and some of us are bitter.
- deleted 10y ago
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arviewer 10y ago
I don't mind that Apple offers very thin laptops that limit battery life, and make it impossible to change harddisks or add memory. The Macbook Air was the first, and it was great as it was. If there is a market for this, whether for professionals or not, they should sell them as much as then can. I do mind that they don't offer at least one good alternative that is "programmer pro": harddisk can be changed, RAM can be added, battery can be replaced and may be bigger. I really don't mind 5mm or even 1cm extra thickness if that gives me all this for a reasonable price. And the 2012 Macbook Pro (without retina) was offered up til last year, but that was no real option with four year old hardware and still for the same price.
- rimantas 10y ago
  I am a programmer and changing RAM/disk/replaceable batteries are not on my list of things I need for work.

Klover 10y ago

>Something called the "Pro", and something that costs a pretty penny, shouldn't just cater to the ones out and about and only needing Excel. Do you know of that instant update feature in Excel? It automatically updates cells when you alter one, up to a certain performance point. My MacBook (non anything) stops doing so much faster than when I use a desktop. When I do process a line of heavier formulae I do have to also wait a fair amount longer than when I use a larger machine. And the pretty penny argument does not really hold up when you are talking about it as a company expense, due to the very favorable tax perspective.

tinus_hn 10y ago
> Do you know of that instant update feature in Excel? It automatically updates cells when you alter one, up to a certain performance point. My MacBook (non anything) stops doing so much faster than when I use a desktop. Sorry but that has to be one of the most ridiculous benchmarks I've seen in a long time.
- cracoucax 10y ago
  It's not a benchmark, he's just saying that even excel users can have a need for powerful computers too

rayiner 10y ago

> What exactly is stopping them from getting the smaller 12" MacBook? Screen size. I'd personally love a 15" fanless MacBook.