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If this had been a conclusion reached as a result of careful analysis, then I'd be interested. Relying on people to taste-test a difference is just a broadly po

by M_Grey 10y ago

If this had been a conclusion reached as a result of careful analysis, then I'd be interested. Relying on people to taste-test a difference is just a broadly pointless exercise I think, and doesn't really prove the conclusion the headline is selling.

RobertoG 10y ago
"If this had been a conclusion reached as a result of careful analysis, then I'd be interested" Ironically, we could say the same about your post ;-) The following is only a link away: "[..] This way, the results show that higher powers of ultrasound, of nearly 40 W/L, in addition with the movement of the spirit, improve the extraction of phenolic compounds in a 33.94%, after seven days of ageing. Then, applying Youden and Steiner’s experimental design, eight experiments of ageing were performed, and the samples obtained by this new method were analysed to obtain information related to their physicochemical and oenological characterisation in order to determine the experimental conditions that produce the best ageing results.[..]" http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1350417716304187 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1350417716...
shkkmo 10y ago
If it's a blind taste-test, it is arguably the only measure that matters.
- Neliquat 10y ago
  But what ancient lineage and obscure origin stories will you impress your friends and yourself with? The marketing is half the product with liquor, the only thing sold for human consumption not requiring an ingredient label.
mikeash 10y ago
Since good taste is the goal, how else would you evaluate the results? As long as the taste testing was carried out properly (i.e. blinded, randomized), it's fine.
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tptacek 10y ago
Here's the actual journal article: http://ac.els-cdn.com/S1350417716304187/1-s2.0-S1350417716304187-main.pdf?_tid=7f75c8f2-eefa-11e6-9cb2-00000aacb361&acdnat=1486667213_8930dfc3b0b5cc103c00db977a241650 http://ac.els-cdn.com/S1350417716304187/1-s2.0-S135041771630... There's an ISO standard for conducting these kinds of tests, and they apparently followed it. It's easy to think of perceptual tests that mitigate your concerns: for instance, you can triangle test.

by M_Grey 10y ago

RobertoG 10y ago

"If this had been a conclusion reached as a result of careful analysis, then I'd be interested" Ironically, we could say the same about your post ;-) The following is only a link away: "[..] This way, the results show that higher powers of ultrasound, of nearly 40 W/L, in addition with the movement of the spirit, improve the extraction of phenolic compounds in a 33.94%, after seven days of ageing. Then, applying Youden and Steiner’s experimental design, eight experiments of ageing were performed, and the samples obtained by this new method were analysed to obtain information related to their physicochemical and oenological characterisation in order to determine the experimental conditions that produce the best ageing results.[..]" http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1350417716304187 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1350417716...

shkkmo 10y ago

If it's a blind taste-test, it is arguably the only measure that matters.

Neliquat 10y ago
But what ancient lineage and obscure origin stories will you impress your friends and yourself with? The marketing is half the product with liquor, the only thing sold for human consumption not requiring an ingredient label.

mikeash 10y ago

Since good taste is the goal, how else would you evaluate the results? As long as the taste testing was carried out properly (i.e. blinded, randomized), it's fine.

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tptacek 10y ago

Here's the actual journal article: http://ac.els-cdn.com/S1350417716304187/1-s2.0-S1350417716304187-main.pdf?_tid=7f75c8f2-eefa-11e6-9cb2-00000aacb361&acdnat=1486667213_8930dfc3b0b5cc103c00db977a241650 http://ac.els-cdn.com/S1350417716304187/1-s2.0-S135041771630... There's an ISO standard for conducting these kinds of tests, and they apparently followed it. It's easy to think of perceptual tests that mitigate your concerns: for instance, you can triangle test.