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>> 2:41 – GitLab values boring solutions: our product should be exceptional Exceptional products have exceptional UX. Gitlab IMHO has the worst UX of all git b

>> 2:41 – GitLab values boring solutions: our product should be exceptional Exceptional products have exceptional UX. Gitlab IMHO has the worst UX of all git based products out there, I much rather take BitBucket over Gitlab. I tried using Gitlab, but no, I would much rather pay the 7$ to GH for my private repos. I sincerely hope they make an exceptional product. And 'should' better be 'must'!

zenlikethat 10y ago
I'm curious what you dislike about the UX. Personally I like the "feel" of the website generally (though it's not as polished as GitHub) and just find it to be slow, which I think they're working on improving.
- bpicolo 10y ago
  Personally, not a fan of how a readme-less repository just has an entirely useless main page. I much prefer having the file view a'la github on that page. That's the main UX complaint for me. Still use gitlab bunches. Main complaint overall is the incredibly sluggish git push speed.
  - pedroms 10y ago
    Speed is one of our main priorities for GitLab this year. We've started Gitaly, a project dedicated to that: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitaly https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitaly We expect it to become a standard component of GitLab in Q1 2017 and to reach full scope in Q3 2017.
    - bpicolo 10y ago
      Can't wait : )
  - eknkc 10y ago
    You can change that on your personal prefs to show the file list by default, with Readme on bottom: http://c.ekin.io/3z1V2v3P041b http://c.ekin.io/3z1V2v3P041b git push speed is fine on our own ce installation but gitlab.com is beyond shitty.
    - bpicolo 10y ago
      That is kind of a bizarre thing to be tucked away in settings =| Noted, though
      - dublinben 10y ago
        Where else would you put it?
        eknkc 10y ago
        I think it should be the default setting. Even make it not configurable. Why would anyone want to see just Readme or just Files view when it's possible to have them both?
        pedroms 10y ago
        This is something that has been on our minds for a while, and we must do it better. We created an issue for a smart project dashboard that aims to provide a better solution, it would be great to have your input there: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/27112 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/27112
    - sytse 10y ago
      We're considering changing the default so people don't have to find the setting https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/26834 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/26834
      - zenlikethat 10y ago
        I'd +1 this as default behavior. I want to see the source code!
- garaetjjte 10y ago
  Gitlab only have mobile site. I want desktop version.
- pedroms 10y ago
  You are right, GitLab doesn't have a polished UX. Improving that is one of our main objectives for the next two months: https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/ux/strategy/ https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/ux/strategy/ If you are curious about what we're doing, take a look at the issues under UI Polish: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues?scope=all&utf8=%E2%9C%93&state=opened&label_name[]=UI%20Polish https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues?scope=all&utf... Or feel free to point out any particular concerns here or through the issue tracker: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues
- faizmokhtar 10y ago
  Personally not a fan of the sidebar navigation. I keep getting it confused with the individual repository navigation bar on top.
  - awhildy 10y ago
    Navigation is another thing we are focusing on for the next several months (https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/ux/strategy/ https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/ux/strategy/). In the next release, we are simplifying it (https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/26200 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/26200). We plan to continue to improve upon our navigation and information architecture. If you are curious, you can follow along some conversations that are happening here: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/27557 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/27557.
- anfogoat 10y ago
  For me the main issue is that reading READMEs or any other markdown files is tiring and annoying because of the ~1200px width.
- codazoda 10y ago
  I've only spent a few minutes there, having signed up just a moment ago. What jumps out at me about the UX is that source code does not seem to be front and center like it is in Github and Bitbucket. The README is all you see on the first page of a project and I had to hunt a few seconds before I noticed the "files" link.
  - sytse 10y ago
    Thanks, I added your comment to https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/26834 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/26834 where we're considering changing the default.
kminehart 10y ago
This is pretty subjective obviously. I think the GitLab interface is pretty good, especially compared to GitHubs. I can't speak for BitBucket since I've only used it once, but I do remember having a hard time finding my way around it.
- lallysingh 10y ago
  UX is objectively measured. I don't know why people think it's subjective.
  - hashnsalt 10y ago
    If UX was fully objectively measured, wouldn't Gitlab, Github, and Bitbucket all look and feel the same?
    - lallysingh 10y ago
      If performance was objectively measured, wouldn't BMW, Mercedes, and Corvettes all perform the same?
      - hashnsalt 10y ago
        Yes, performance can be objectively measured but different companies choose different metrics to optimize. The choice stems from subjective preferences. Hyundai optimizes for price and caters to the middle class, whereas Bugatti optimizes for speed and caters to whatever their market is. So subjectivity is inherent in the metrics we choose.
        lallysingh 10y ago
        ... and you have your answer to the prior question.
        hashnsalt 10y ago
        Derailing the intent of your parent comment and then taking the higher ground...good job bud
Perihelion 10y ago
Hey Deepak, thanks for the feedback. We've built out a UX team and improving that aspect of the product is high on our list of priorities, but please feel free to reach out if you have any specific issues. Happy to document those for you.
- deepaksurti 10y ago
  Hey Amanda, I would list the following: 1. Intelligent profile: shows my top 6 active repositories, ability to mark work I do as salient so that shows up on the dashboard in summary instead of my recent issues/merge requests etc, the salient work marking should be automated at a future point of time (ML). I really think of this as an automated Developer Story in the long run. 2. Recent area: Where you show the contributions in the last year, recent issues/merge requests etc. 3. Code Reviews: A list view on the left which shows all the files changed and a cart where I can add multiple files (ex: a.py, b.py, c.py) to show how the changes my be inconsistent etc to a peer. A 4 quadrant view will be very handy. These are the top 3 things I can think of, based on my interaction so far. I wish Gitlab success. Thanks.
amyjess 10y ago
GitLab may not be as good as some others in the space, but I've never seen a repo UI that actively repulses me nearly as much as BitBucket's. Even SourceForge doesn't put me off like that. Honestly, all Atlassian products have terrible UI. JIRA is just as bad.
- mschuster91 10y ago
  > Honestly, all Atlassian products have terrible UI. JIRA is just as bad. The individual UIs are not that bad. The problem is that people tend to use not only e.g. JIRA, but also Confluence, or more. And then the (massive) differences between their products in UX appear. As a sysadmin, there's one thing that really annoys me: all that Atlassian stuff is written in Java (which means: on every problem one has to dig through pages after pages of Java stacktraces), and it eats resources like nothing else. GitLab got better in the recent versions, but it also had its fair share of interesting problems with memory leaks. Oh, and both don't support MySQL (Atlassian does, but very limited) - which is bad if nearly everything else is MySQL and you already have a MySQL DBA.
  - mi100hael 10y ago
    > The individual UIs are not that bad. I've still gotta disagree. Jira's UI is horribly inconsistent and haphazard. Some actions are buttons, some are links, some are hidden until you mouse over, everything feels like it was just tacked on wherever there was (or really wasn't) free space. It's probably the worst UI in a modern, commercial web application that I've encountered.
    - lallysingh 10y ago
      It's pretty bad, but the list of contenders in "worst UI" is quite large. It feels like they took some Photoshop files from a designer and gave it to their dev team and said "make this, I don't want to hear any complaints."
    - budman1 10y ago
      but it's agile, so it has to be good.
shasheene 10y ago
> Gitlab IMHO has the worst UX of all git based products out there Remember that git-based products include Gerrit (a UX which I hear hate about, but frankly, I like a lot)

zenlikethat 10y ago

I'm curious what you dislike about the UX. Personally I like the "feel" of the website generally (though it's not as polished as GitHub) and just find it to be slow, which I think they're working on improving.

bpicolo 10y ago
Personally, not a fan of how a readme-less repository just has an entirely useless main page. I much prefer having the file view a'la github on that page. That's the main UX complaint for me. Still use gitlab bunches. Main complaint overall is the incredibly sluggish git push speed.
- pedroms 10y ago
  Speed is one of our main priorities for GitLab this year. We've started Gitaly, a project dedicated to that: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitaly https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitaly We expect it to become a standard component of GitLab in Q1 2017 and to reach full scope in Q3 2017.
  - bpicolo 10y ago
    Can't wait : )
- eknkc 10y ago
  You can change that on your personal prefs to show the file list by default, with Readme on bottom: http://c.ekin.io/3z1V2v3P041b http://c.ekin.io/3z1V2v3P041b git push speed is fine on our own ce installation but gitlab.com is beyond shitty.
  - bpicolo 10y ago
    That is kind of a bizarre thing to be tucked away in settings =| Noted, though
    - dublinben 10y ago
      Where else would you put it?
      - eknkc 10y ago
        I think it should be the default setting. Even make it not configurable. Why would anyone want to see just Readme or just Files view when it's possible to have them both?
        pedroms 10y ago
        This is something that has been on our minds for a while, and we must do it better. We created an issue for a smart project dashboard that aims to provide a better solution, it would be great to have your input there: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/27112 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/27112
  - sytse 10y ago
    We're considering changing the default so people don't have to find the setting https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/26834 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/26834
    - zenlikethat 10y ago
      I'd +1 this as default behavior. I want to see the source code!
garaetjjte 10y ago
Gitlab only have mobile site. I want desktop version.
pedroms 10y ago
You are right, GitLab doesn't have a polished UX. Improving that is one of our main objectives for the next two months: https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/ux/strategy/ https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/ux/strategy/ If you are curious about what we're doing, take a look at the issues under UI Polish: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues?scope=all&utf8=%E2%9C%93&state=opened&label_name[]=UI%20Polish https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues?scope=all&utf... Or feel free to point out any particular concerns here or through the issue tracker: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues
faizmokhtar 10y ago
Personally not a fan of the sidebar navigation. I keep getting it confused with the individual repository navigation bar on top.
- awhildy 10y ago
  Navigation is another thing we are focusing on for the next several months (https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/ux/strategy/ https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/ux/strategy/). In the next release, we are simplifying it (https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/26200 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/26200). We plan to continue to improve upon our navigation and information architecture. If you are curious, you can follow along some conversations that are happening here: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/27557 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/27557.
anfogoat 10y ago
For me the main issue is that reading READMEs or any other markdown files is tiring and annoying because of the ~1200px width.
codazoda 10y ago
I've only spent a few minutes there, having signed up just a moment ago. What jumps out at me about the UX is that source code does not seem to be front and center like it is in Github and Bitbucket. The README is all you see on the first page of a project and I had to hunt a few seconds before I noticed the "files" link.
- sytse 10y ago
  Thanks, I added your comment to https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/26834 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/26834 where we're considering changing the default.

kminehart 10y ago

This is pretty subjective obviously. I think the GitLab interface is pretty good, especially compared to GitHubs. I can't speak for BitBucket since I've only used it once, but I do remember having a hard time finding my way around it.

lallysingh 10y ago
UX is objectively measured. I don't know why people think it's subjective.
- hashnsalt 10y ago
  If UX was fully objectively measured, wouldn't Gitlab, Github, and Bitbucket all look and feel the same?
  - lallysingh 10y ago
    If performance was objectively measured, wouldn't BMW, Mercedes, and Corvettes all perform the same?
    - hashnsalt 10y ago
      Yes, performance can be objectively measured but different companies choose different metrics to optimize. The choice stems from subjective preferences. Hyundai optimizes for price and caters to the middle class, whereas Bugatti optimizes for speed and caters to whatever their market is. So subjectivity is inherent in the metrics we choose.
      - lallysingh 10y ago
        ... and you have your answer to the prior question.
        hashnsalt 10y ago
        Derailing the intent of your parent comment and then taking the higher ground...good job bud

Perihelion 10y ago

Hey Deepak, thanks for the feedback. We've built out a UX team and improving that aspect of the product is high on our list of priorities, but please feel free to reach out if you have any specific issues. Happy to document those for you.

deepaksurti 10y ago
Hey Amanda, I would list the following: 1. Intelligent profile: shows my top 6 active repositories, ability to mark work I do as salient so that shows up on the dashboard in summary instead of my recent issues/merge requests etc, the salient work marking should be automated at a future point of time (ML). I really think of this as an automated Developer Story in the long run. 2. Recent area: Where you show the contributions in the last year, recent issues/merge requests etc. 3. Code Reviews: A list view on the left which shows all the files changed and a cart where I can add multiple files (ex: a.py, b.py, c.py) to show how the changes my be inconsistent etc to a peer. A 4 quadrant view will be very handy. These are the top 3 things I can think of, based on my interaction so far. I wish Gitlab success. Thanks.

amyjess 10y ago

GitLab may not be as good as some others in the space, but I've never seen a repo UI that actively repulses me nearly as much as BitBucket's. Even SourceForge doesn't put me off like that. Honestly, all Atlassian products have terrible UI. JIRA is just as bad.

mschuster91 10y ago
> Honestly, all Atlassian products have terrible UI. JIRA is just as bad. The individual UIs are not that bad. The problem is that people tend to use not only e.g. JIRA, but also Confluence, or more. And then the (massive) differences between their products in UX appear. As a sysadmin, there's one thing that really annoys me: all that Atlassian stuff is written in Java (which means: on every problem one has to dig through pages after pages of Java stacktraces), and it eats resources like nothing else. GitLab got better in the recent versions, but it also had its fair share of interesting problems with memory leaks. Oh, and both don't support MySQL (Atlassian does, but very limited) - which is bad if nearly everything else is MySQL and you already have a MySQL DBA.
- mi100hael 10y ago
  > The individual UIs are not that bad. I've still gotta disagree. Jira's UI is horribly inconsistent and haphazard. Some actions are buttons, some are links, some are hidden until you mouse over, everything feels like it was just tacked on wherever there was (or really wasn't) free space. It's probably the worst UI in a modern, commercial web application that I've encountered.
  - lallysingh 10y ago
    It's pretty bad, but the list of contenders in "worst UI" is quite large. It feels like they took some Photoshop files from a designer and gave it to their dev team and said "make this, I don't want to hear any complaints."
  - budman1 10y ago
    but it's agile, so it has to be good.

shasheene 10y ago

> Gitlab IMHO has the worst UX of all git based products out there Remember that git-based products include Gerrit (a UX which I hear hate about, but frankly, I like a lot)