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That is a very deceptive way to put it. https://jakearchibald.github.io/isserviceworkerready/ https://jakearchibald.github.io/isserviceworkerready/ Safari is

That is a very deceptive way to put it. https://jakearchibald.github.io/isserviceworkerready/ https://jakearchibald.github.io/isserviceworkerready/ Safari is intentionally crippled in several areas. Its very specific and obvious. It is dishonest for you to at this point pretend Apple is going full force for web standards while they are explicitly not implementing features that are available everywhere else. And how those specific features line up directly as features which allow web apps to compete with its native application market. Edit: To anyone seeing this down-voted. Apple employees typically down-vote stuff like this so please do not take this being greyed as anything but manufactured opinion.

Benjamin_Dobell 10y ago
Wait... what? Deceptive... really? Come on now. http://caniuse.com/ http://caniuse.com/ In terms of tracked features they're ahead of Edge with both their stable release and in development (TP) builds. Don't let your own prejudices distort reality.
- whyileft 10y ago
  http://caniuse.com/#feat=notifications http://caniuse.com/#feat=notifications Every. single. other. browser. Including desktop Safari.
  - Benjamin_Dobell 10y ago
    I can play that game too: http://caniuse.com/#feat=es6-module http://caniuse.com/#feat=es6-module Like I said, "ahead of the game in a lot of areas", not every area.
  - MBCook 10y ago
    As an iOS and MacOS user..... GOOD. I hate websites trying to give me notifications. I like that I don't get stupid prompts from mobile Safari about that kind of thing.
    - saurik 10y ago
      Instead you get "stupid prompts from mobile Safari" to install apps, which websites mostly do so they can send you push notifications: same prompts, even more annoying (as often the "carrot" is that some of the content or UI requires the app).
      - MBCook 10y ago
        Honestly I don't see a lot of those anymore. Perhaps it's the ad blocker, perhaps it's the fact that they realized it doesn't work well, or perhaps I just don't go to sites that push it.
  - eridius 10y ago
    That's clearly not true. IE: Not Supported Opera Mini: Not Supported Chrome for Android: Not Supported
  - y_u_no_rust 10y ago
    Honestly fuck notifications
  - tinus_hn 10y ago
    Except all the mobile browsers. Which makes sense since nobody wants notifications on their phone from a website.
    - detaro 10y ago
      > Which makes sense since nobody wants notifications on their phone from a website. When the alternative is installing an app just for some simple notifications I temporarily want, hell yes I want that option. Let's hope PWAs get there and the browser vendors figure out good UI to deal with them.
dang 10y ago
Presumably the downvotes are because your comment went uncivil, by accusing another user of dishonesty and by insinuating astroturfing without evidence. Neither of those things are allowed on HN, so please don't do them again. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13593606 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13593606 and marked it off-topic.
natvert 10y ago
anybody else here actually build a progressive web app only to find that safari supports none of it's features? chrome + android (maybe even microsoft) are so far ahead here it's not even funny

Benjamin_Dobell 10y ago

Wait... what? Deceptive... really? Come on now. http://caniuse.com/ http://caniuse.com/ In terms of tracked features they're ahead of Edge with both their stable release and in development (TP) builds. Don't let your own prejudices distort reality.

whyileft 10y ago
http://caniuse.com/#feat=notifications http://caniuse.com/#feat=notifications Every. single. other. browser. Including desktop Safari.
- Benjamin_Dobell 10y ago
  I can play that game too: http://caniuse.com/#feat=es6-module http://caniuse.com/#feat=es6-module Like I said, "ahead of the game in a lot of areas", not every area.
- MBCook 10y ago
  As an iOS and MacOS user..... GOOD. I hate websites trying to give me notifications. I like that I don't get stupid prompts from mobile Safari about that kind of thing.
  - saurik 10y ago
    Instead you get "stupid prompts from mobile Safari" to install apps, which websites mostly do so they can send you push notifications: same prompts, even more annoying (as often the "carrot" is that some of the content or UI requires the app).
    - MBCook 10y ago
      Honestly I don't see a lot of those anymore. Perhaps it's the ad blocker, perhaps it's the fact that they realized it doesn't work well, or perhaps I just don't go to sites that push it.
- eridius 10y ago
  That's clearly not true. IE: Not Supported Opera Mini: Not Supported Chrome for Android: Not Supported
- y_u_no_rust 10y ago
  Honestly fuck notifications
- tinus_hn 10y ago
  Except all the mobile browsers. Which makes sense since nobody wants notifications on their phone from a website.
  - detaro 10y ago
    > Which makes sense since nobody wants notifications on their phone from a website. When the alternative is installing an app just for some simple notifications I temporarily want, hell yes I want that option. Let's hope PWAs get there and the browser vendors figure out good UI to deal with them.

dang 10y ago

Presumably the downvotes are because your comment went uncivil, by accusing another user of dishonesty and by insinuating astroturfing without evidence. Neither of those things are allowed on HN, so please don't do them again. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13593606 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13593606 and marked it off-topic.

natvert 10y ago

anybody else here actually build a progressive web app only to find that safari supports none of it's features? chrome + android (maybe even microsoft) are so far ahead here it's not even funny