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It appears that bullying does work. I mean "criticism". Trump is President for at least the next four years. This childish "us vs them" attitude is not healthy.

by melling 10y ago

It appears that bullying does work. I mean "criticism". Trump is President for at least the next four years. This childish "us vs them" attitude is not healthy. Silicon Valley needs to have people advising Trump, regardless of their differences. [Update] I'll update here so I have one downvoted answer, not several. 1. Bullying doesn't necessarily involve violence. The future of his company was threatened. Here's an example of Trump being called a bully for threatening to remove funding from Berkeley: https://www.buzzfeed.com/tasneemnashrulla/uc-berkeley-milo-protests-aftermath?utm_term=.awr2KdrrNa https://www.buzzfeed.com/tasneemnashrulla/uc-berkeley-milo-p...

dragonwriter 10y ago
> Trump is President for at least the next four years. Incorrect. There are at least four ways, without violating the Constitution, Trump could stop being President before his term ends. > This childish "us vs them" attitude is not healthy. Not having an "us v. them" attitude is foolish (and possibly suicidal) when "them" are genuinely opposed to "us".
- smudgymcscmudge 10y ago
  Are you them or us? I think I'm us, but I'm not sure.
  - dllthomas 10y ago
    "Who am us, anyway?"
- dllthomas 10y ago
  > There are at least four ways, without violating the Constitution, Trump could stop being President before his term ends. Impeachment, resignation, death... what's the fourth?
  - quicklyfrozen 10y ago
    Some sort of medical incapacitation?
    - dllthomas 10y ago
      I think you're likely right.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    25th Amendment impairment (though technically he'd still be President, just without the powers of the office.)
_1 10y ago
Hard to advise someone infamous for not taking advice.
gibrown 10y ago
> It appears that bullying does work How is a boycott bullying? There is no violence here. > childish "us vs them" attitude is not healthy It's called nonviolent resistance and resisting normalization. It's very healthy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/11/21/people-are-in-the-streets-protesting-donald-trump-but-when-does-protest-actually-work/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/11/2... > Trump is President for at least the next four years Nope... impeachment... Lotsa work to do... No non-violent resistance that has mobilized more than 3.5% of the population has failed in the last 100-ish years. On Jan 21st 1-1.5% of the US population participated. https://rationalinsurgent.com/2013/11/04/my-talk-at-tedxboulder-civil-resistance-and-the-3-5-rule/ https://rationalinsurgent.com/2013/11/04/my-talk-at-tedxboul...
- MikusR 10y ago
  Bullying does not imply violence.
  - gibrown 10y ago
    Seems like it can imply violence, but you're right doesn't have to. I feel like calling a boycott bullying is still a strong misrepresentation.
- thomyorkie 10y ago
  > Nope... impeachment... Lotsa work to do... No non-violent resistance that has mobilized more than 3.5% of the population has failed in the last 100-ish years. On Jan 21st 1-1.5% of the US population participated. While there certainly was a large anti-Trump sentiment at the Woman's March, there were a plethora of issues that brought all those people together. To imply that all who participated want a Trump impeachment is not accurate.
  - gibrown 10y ago
    > To imply that all who participated want a Trump impeachment is not accurate Really? Were you at one? I can't speak for everywhere, but the 100k folks I marched with in Denver seemed pretty gung-ho on the idea. Most common theme on signs I saw was something to the effect of: "This cat has claws" (tried to clean it up a bit ;) ) Also, currently 40% of registered voters support impeaching Trump: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/317627-poll-4-in-10-back-impeaching-trump http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/317627-poll-4-in-... Ultimately though that data is about what percentage you can mobilize and activate. Just answering a survey isn't enough.
dahdum 10y ago
I'm sure there was a rigorous internal debate, giving up a seat at that table is a huge loss of influence.
luckydata 10y ago
I vehemently disagree. the Advisory Council is simply a way for Trump to show how he's just like any other president and to legitimize himself, he will not hear anything those people have to say. I wish Elon went the same way, Trump is planning to destroy everything he stands for.
rhizome 10y ago
Why is opposition childish?
kafkaesq 10y ago
This childish "us vs them" attitude is not healthy. You know, sometimes in life, when dealing with certain forces of chaos and disruption, which can be safely categorized as entirely malignant, e.g. the Mafia, the Khmer Rouge, ISIS... or a certain mentally imbalanced fascist demagogue currently masquerading a the leader of the free world -- you just need take a clear stand, and call a spade a spade. Which you can call an "Us v. Them" attitude, if you like. But calling people who recognize this fact "childish" isn't helpful at all.
chillwaves 10y ago
So exercising discretion in who you do business with is bullying? What happened to free markets? What happened to accountability to consumers?

by melling 10y ago

dragonwriter 10y ago

> Trump is President for at least the next four years. Incorrect. There are at least four ways, without violating the Constitution, Trump could stop being President before his term ends. > This childish "us vs them" attitude is not healthy. Not having an "us v. them" attitude is foolish (and possibly suicidal) when "them" are genuinely opposed to "us".

smudgymcscmudge 10y ago
Are you them or us? I think I'm us, but I'm not sure.
- dllthomas 10y ago
  "Who am us, anyway?"
dllthomas 10y ago
> There are at least four ways, without violating the Constitution, Trump could stop being President before his term ends. Impeachment, resignation, death... what's the fourth?
- quicklyfrozen 10y ago
  Some sort of medical incapacitation?
  - dllthomas 10y ago
    I think you're likely right.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  25th Amendment impairment (though technically he'd still be President, just without the powers of the office.)

_1 10y ago

Hard to advise someone infamous for not taking advice.

gibrown 10y ago

> It appears that bullying does work How is a boycott bullying? There is no violence here. > childish "us vs them" attitude is not healthy It's called nonviolent resistance and resisting normalization. It's very healthy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/11/21/people-are-in-the-streets-protesting-donald-trump-but-when-does-protest-actually-work/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/11/2... > Trump is President for at least the next four years Nope... impeachment... Lotsa work to do... No non-violent resistance that has mobilized more than 3.5% of the population has failed in the last 100-ish years. On Jan 21st 1-1.5% of the US population participated. https://rationalinsurgent.com/2013/11/04/my-talk-at-tedxboulder-civil-resistance-and-the-3-5-rule/ https://rationalinsurgent.com/2013/11/04/my-talk-at-tedxboul...

MikusR 10y ago
Bullying does not imply violence.
- gibrown 10y ago
  Seems like it can imply violence, but you're right doesn't have to. I feel like calling a boycott bullying is still a strong misrepresentation.
thomyorkie 10y ago
> Nope... impeachment... Lotsa work to do... No non-violent resistance that has mobilized more than 3.5% of the population has failed in the last 100-ish years. On Jan 21st 1-1.5% of the US population participated. While there certainly was a large anti-Trump sentiment at the Woman's March, there were a plethora of issues that brought all those people together. To imply that all who participated want a Trump impeachment is not accurate.
- gibrown 10y ago
  > To imply that all who participated want a Trump impeachment is not accurate Really? Were you at one? I can't speak for everywhere, but the 100k folks I marched with in Denver seemed pretty gung-ho on the idea. Most common theme on signs I saw was something to the effect of: "This cat has claws" (tried to clean it up a bit ;) ) Also, currently 40% of registered voters support impeaching Trump: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/317627-poll-4-in-10-back-impeaching-trump http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/317627-poll-4-in-... Ultimately though that data is about what percentage you can mobilize and activate. Just answering a survey isn't enough.

dahdum 10y ago

I'm sure there was a rigorous internal debate, giving up a seat at that table is a huge loss of influence.

luckydata 10y ago

I vehemently disagree. the Advisory Council is simply a way for Trump to show how he's just like any other president and to legitimize himself, he will not hear anything those people have to say. I wish Elon went the same way, Trump is planning to destroy everything he stands for.

rhizome 10y ago

Why is opposition childish?

kafkaesq 10y ago

This childish "us vs them" attitude is not healthy. You know, sometimes in life, when dealing with certain forces of chaos and disruption, which can be safely categorized as entirely malignant, e.g. the Mafia, the Khmer Rouge, ISIS... or a certain mentally imbalanced fascist demagogue currently masquerading a the leader of the free world -- you just need take a clear stand, and call a spade a spade. Which you can call an "Us v. Them" attitude, if you like. But calling people who recognize this fact "childish" isn't helpful at all.

chillwaves 10y ago

So exercising discretion in who you do business with is bullying? What happened to free markets? What happened to accountability to consumers?