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> I'm a Trump supporter so take this with a grain of salt. Immediately predict lame rhetoric about how bad the media is. > When he said the media was dishones

by serge2k 10y ago

> I'm a Trump supporter so take this with a grain of salt. Immediately predict lame rhetoric about how bad the media is. > When he said the media was dishonest, he was referring to CNN, WaPo and the mainstream media (excluding Fox News). Oh right, the bastion of correct reporting, fucking Fox News. Questioning Obama's birth certificate. Warning about his terrorist fist jabs. Rightly admonishing him for asking for Dijon Mustard. > As a litmus test... the fact that almost every liberal in America is yelling at Trump more than they're yelling at the DNC The current president vs something that happened 8 months ago. > doubled-down on Hillary the loss wasn't just technical––it was a landslide[1] It wasn't a fucking landslide. 13th closest election in history by electoral college, massive loss in the popular vote. This is why Trump supporters need a fucking reality check and should maybe try some of that mainstream media. You are hooked on his propaganda and lies.

williamle8300 10y ago
First, tell me the numbers for electoral votes. I would consider that a landslide. Second, Obama's birth certificate was forged[1]. I'm not saying he wasn't born in America, but anyone with Photoshop and how layers work knows that the document was doctored. [1] http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/12/15/sheriff-joe-arpaio-probe-proves-obama-birth-certificate-fake/95500958/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/12/15/she...
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > First, tell me the numbers for electoral votes. I would consider that a landslide Then you don't understand what a landslide, electoral or otherwise, is. Of the post-WWII elections, virtually all were bigger wins, electorally, the exception being both of George W. Bush's elections, Nixon's 1968 election, and Kennedy's 1960 election. Actually, while WWII is often used as a breakpoint for considering modern elections, the same is true if you extend the timeframe to post-WWI.
  - williamle8300 10y ago
    You may not consider 232 (CLINTON) -– 306 (TRUMP) a landslide but I certainly do.
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      If you do, you rob "landslide" of any substantive meaning -- virtually every Presidential election is a "landslide" by that standard, and Trump's is the fifth weakest in 100 years.
- peeters 10y ago
  I'm having trouble seeing where in your link there is any evidence presented that Obama's birth certificate is forged. It's an article about some guy saying it was forged.
  - williamle8300 10y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USoWpLll4Cg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USoWpLll4Cg http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-says-obamas-birth-certificate-legit.html http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-says-obama... http://glitch.news/2016-12-29-real-forensic-investigation-determines-barack-obamas-birth-certificate-really-was-faked-no-question-about-it.html http://glitch.news/2016-12-29-real-forensic-investigation-de... http://thedailybanter.com/2016/12/arpaio-proof-fake-birth-certificate/ http://thedailybanter.com/2016/12/arpaio-proof-fake-birth-ce...
    - ugh22 10y ago
      Your evidence is Arpaio? lol. I guess the newspaper announcement was faked 60 years ago too? Seriously dude, drop it. It's pathetic and sad. Hundreds of experts have looked at it, of course there is 1 racist goon who will say otherwise.
- wootness 10y ago
  Forged? How do you feel about bigfoot? Get your bigotry off HN. You are not welcome here. Grow up.
jakebasile 10y ago
You're busy in this thread, but you only seem to bring anger and ridicule. Maybe calm down a bit and foster useful discussions? But looking through your history it seems like that may not be what you want.
matwood 10y ago
> massive loss in the popular vote Can we stop talking about the popular vote? As long as people know the electoral college is what matters, the popular vote is tainted. People who live in states that are not going to swing either a) don't vote or b) vote their ideal candidate. HN is a place where we are typically critical of any studies methodology yet we hang on to a number as skewed as the popular vote. Imagine if you were polled and told "No matter what you vote your state is going red/blue. How do you plan to vote?" That is basically the question and it means the popular vote means very little in the end.
- serge2k 10y ago
  No, for two reasons. 1. It's a direct response to the idea that Trump won a landslide. The election was actually close by electoral college standards, and losing the popular vote shows he was far from the mandate a landslide suggests. 2. It's evidence that the electoral college system is flawed, and starting to become a problem. 2000 and 2016 are the only 2 elections since before 1900 where the popular vote didn't end up matching the election. This is a problem, and should be talked about.

by serge2k 10y ago

williamle8300 10y ago

First, tell me the numbers for electoral votes. I would consider that a landslide. Second, Obama's birth certificate was forged[1]. I'm not saying he wasn't born in America, but anyone with Photoshop and how layers work knows that the document was doctored. [1] http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/12/15/sheriff-joe-arpaio-probe-proves-obama-birth-certificate-fake/95500958/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/12/15/she...

dragonwriter 10y ago
> First, tell me the numbers for electoral votes. I would consider that a landslide Then you don't understand what a landslide, electoral or otherwise, is. Of the post-WWII elections, virtually all were bigger wins, electorally, the exception being both of George W. Bush's elections, Nixon's 1968 election, and Kennedy's 1960 election. Actually, while WWII is often used as a breakpoint for considering modern elections, the same is true if you extend the timeframe to post-WWI.
- williamle8300 10y ago
  You may not consider 232 (CLINTON) -– 306 (TRUMP) a landslide but I certainly do.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    If you do, you rob "landslide" of any substantive meaning -- virtually every Presidential election is a "landslide" by that standard, and Trump's is the fifth weakest in 100 years.
peeters 10y ago
I'm having trouble seeing where in your link there is any evidence presented that Obama's birth certificate is forged. It's an article about some guy saying it was forged.
- williamle8300 10y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USoWpLll4Cg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USoWpLll4Cg http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-says-obamas-birth-certificate-legit.html http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-says-obama... http://glitch.news/2016-12-29-real-forensic-investigation-determines-barack-obamas-birth-certificate-really-was-faked-no-question-about-it.html http://glitch.news/2016-12-29-real-forensic-investigation-de... http://thedailybanter.com/2016/12/arpaio-proof-fake-birth-certificate/ http://thedailybanter.com/2016/12/arpaio-proof-fake-birth-ce...
  - ugh22 10y ago
    Your evidence is Arpaio? lol. I guess the newspaper announcement was faked 60 years ago too? Seriously dude, drop it. It's pathetic and sad. Hundreds of experts have looked at it, of course there is 1 racist goon who will say otherwise.
wootness 10y ago
Forged? How do you feel about bigfoot? Get your bigotry off HN. You are not welcome here. Grow up.

jakebasile 10y ago

You're busy in this thread, but you only seem to bring anger and ridicule. Maybe calm down a bit and foster useful discussions? But looking through your history it seems like that may not be what you want.

matwood 10y ago

> massive loss in the popular vote Can we stop talking about the popular vote? As long as people know the electoral college is what matters, the popular vote is tainted. People who live in states that are not going to swing either a) don't vote or b) vote their ideal candidate. HN is a place where we are typically critical of any studies methodology yet we hang on to a number as skewed as the popular vote. Imagine if you were polled and told "No matter what you vote your state is going red/blue. How do you plan to vote?" That is basically the question and it means the popular vote means very little in the end.

serge2k 10y ago
No, for two reasons. 1. It's a direct response to the idea that Trump won a landslide. The election was actually close by electoral college standards, and losing the popular vote shows he was far from the mandate a landslide suggests. 2. It's evidence that the electoral college system is flawed, and starting to become a problem. 2000 and 2016 are the only 2 elections since before 1900 where the popular vote didn't end up matching the election. This is a problem, and should be talked about.