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Than how do you explain his (successful) campaign against the free google chat that competes with Campfire? Google shut it down, basically, because it's "unfair

Than how do you explain his (successful) campaign against the free google chat that competes with Campfire? Google shut it down, basically, because it's "unfair to J.Fried". Since Google did it, nobody else dare to compete directly with Basecamp, as is. Diaspora is a paradigm shift, and it will be easier to implement a better Basecamp without single point of registration and billing.

mseebach 16y ago
Are you talking about HuddleChat? It was a demo-app and was a blatant rip-off of Campfire. Nobody dares to compete with Basecamp? Are you kidding me? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_project_management_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_project_managemen...
- lionshare 16y ago
  Huddle-chat was free. They shut it down for no reason but J Fried loud "Google is evil" complains. Techcrunch here http://techcrunch.com/2008/04/08/google-to-close-huddlechat/ http://techcrunch.com/2008/04/08/google-to-close-huddlechat/ Gigaom here: http://gigaom.com/2008/04/09/in-the-huddlechat-debacle-a-lesson-for-web-20-startups/ http://gigaom.com/2008/04/09/in-the-huddlechat-debacle-a-les... So we have to pay for Campfire. And nobody did Basecamp as is, which is not that complicated, for the same reason.
  - mseebach 16y ago
    You're rambling. Basecamp alternative: http://lessprojects.com/ http://lessprojects.com/ - Status: Not shut down. Basecamp alternative: https://www.hoisthq.com/ https://www.hoisthq.com/ - Status: Private beta Free, open-source Campfire alternative: https://echowaves.com/ https://echowaves.com/ - Status: Not shut down. And these are just the ones I know about (OK, I had to Google for a second to find EchoWaves). Final nail in the coffin: If 37S was "competing" by shutting down competitors, why are they innovating their products at the pace they are? The Campfire of today doesn't look like the Campfire HuddleChat ripped off.
    - lionshare 16y ago
      But not in Google Apps! Google had no problem to add tasks (talk to remember the milk). But why not project management? BTW - it's fair. J.Fried is using his ammunition to protect his business. But let's just call it what it is. Reg innovative: Huddle chat was written in weeks. We can only guess where it be now. Basecamp is great, but very similar to what it was 2 years ago Anyway guys, we all should only hope the best of luck for this Diaspora thing instead of bashing them. That's all I'm saying. Mr. Fried could wait at least until the finance period is done.
ubernostrum 16y ago
Your comments indicate less of a reasoned argument on the topic, and more of a personal animosity toward Jason Fried, 37Signals or both. Perhaps you should step back and take a deep breath?
- lionshare 16y ago
  Not a bit. They are a great company, great products and great inspiration. I just think that this post is ugly. He could wait a while, let them finish the finance, let them work, and in a few months write about the results. The rush, the hurry, the strong word ("a curse") is - to me - too bold to be pure "startup/product advice" issue.
- lionshare 16y ago
  And you tell me, please, why there is no project management solution in Google Apss
  - modoc 16y ago
    Because they haven't wanted to build one....
kristiandupont 16y ago
You are not trolling, are you? I am sorry, but do you think that Jason can "shut down" something that Google makes, just with his writing? And seriously, the idea of Diaspora competing with BaseCamp takes some imagination! At such an abstract level, almost any web app could be said to compete with any other web app.
- jacquesm 16y ago
  > You are not trolling, are you? Of course he is. Isn't that obvious.
  - lionshare 16y ago
    I think that Fried's post is trolling. It's not a simple opinion: it may well slow down their finance. 4 brave guys, dedicated for an important goal, in the right time. Instead of wishing them luck calling them "Curse"? and I AM the troll?
- lionshare 16y ago
  I think it's a legitimate opinion. The comments are about facts. Please read the links I provided.

mseebach 16y ago

Are you talking about HuddleChat? It was a demo-app and was a blatant rip-off of Campfire. Nobody dares to compete with Basecamp? Are you kidding me? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_project_management_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_project_managemen...

lionshare 16y ago
Huddle-chat was free. They shut it down for no reason but J Fried loud "Google is evil" complains. Techcrunch here http://techcrunch.com/2008/04/08/google-to-close-huddlechat/ http://techcrunch.com/2008/04/08/google-to-close-huddlechat/ Gigaom here: http://gigaom.com/2008/04/09/in-the-huddlechat-debacle-a-lesson-for-web-20-startups/ http://gigaom.com/2008/04/09/in-the-huddlechat-debacle-a-les... So we have to pay for Campfire. And nobody did Basecamp as is, which is not that complicated, for the same reason.
- mseebach 16y ago
  You're rambling. Basecamp alternative: http://lessprojects.com/ http://lessprojects.com/ - Status: Not shut down. Basecamp alternative: https://www.hoisthq.com/ https://www.hoisthq.com/ - Status: Private beta Free, open-source Campfire alternative: https://echowaves.com/ https://echowaves.com/ - Status: Not shut down. And these are just the ones I know about (OK, I had to Google for a second to find EchoWaves). Final nail in the coffin: If 37S was "competing" by shutting down competitors, why are they innovating their products at the pace they are? The Campfire of today doesn't look like the Campfire HuddleChat ripped off.
  - lionshare 16y ago
    But not in Google Apps! Google had no problem to add tasks (talk to remember the milk). But why not project management? BTW - it's fair. J.Fried is using his ammunition to protect his business. But let's just call it what it is. Reg innovative: Huddle chat was written in weeks. We can only guess where it be now. Basecamp is great, but very similar to what it was 2 years ago Anyway guys, we all should only hope the best of luck for this Diaspora thing instead of bashing them. That's all I'm saying. Mr. Fried could wait at least until the finance period is done.

ubernostrum 16y ago

Your comments indicate less of a reasoned argument on the topic, and more of a personal animosity toward Jason Fried, 37Signals or both. Perhaps you should step back and take a deep breath?

lionshare 16y ago
Not a bit. They are a great company, great products and great inspiration. I just think that this post is ugly. He could wait a while, let them finish the finance, let them work, and in a few months write about the results. The rush, the hurry, the strong word ("a curse") is - to me - too bold to be pure "startup/product advice" issue.
lionshare 16y ago
And you tell me, please, why there is no project management solution in Google Apss
- modoc 16y ago
  Because they haven't wanted to build one....

kristiandupont 16y ago

You are not trolling, are you? I am sorry, but do you think that Jason can "shut down" something that Google makes, just with his writing? And seriously, the idea of Diaspora competing with BaseCamp takes some imagination! At such an abstract level, almost any web app could be said to compete with any other web app.

jacquesm 16y ago
> You are not trolling, are you? Of course he is. Isn't that obvious.
- lionshare 16y ago
  I think that Fried's post is trolling. It's not a simple opinion: it may well slow down their finance. 4 brave guys, dedicated for an important goal, in the right time. Instead of wishing them luck calling them "Curse"? and I AM the troll?
lionshare 16y ago
I think it's a legitimate opinion. The comments are about facts. Please read the links I provided.