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Think Wordpress. Fried just doesn't want you to have that option for project management. It's not about Diasopora, it's about Basecamp.

mseebach 16y ago
Well, wordpress.com isn't a player in the e-mail space, which was the analogy. And regarding Basecamp/Diaspora: I can already get most of the same functionality I can get from Basecamp in plenty of other products, both hosted and open-source. Basecamp is popular because it's really, really good, not by a long shot because they are the only option. A project management application on the Diaspora platform would have zero advantage over Basecamp because of that. And even if it would have, Diaspora is open, and 37S could just implement Basecamp as a node. Fried says Diaspora is going to fail because it's the provocative thing to do, and that's what Fried does on his blog.
- lionshare 16y ago
  Than how do you explain his (successful) campaign against the free google chat that competes with Campfire? Google shut it down, basically, because it's "unfair to J.Fried". Since Google did it, nobody else dare to compete directly with Basecamp, as is. Diaspora is a paradigm shift, and it will be easier to implement a better Basecamp without single point of registration and billing.
  - mseebach 16y ago
    Are you talking about HuddleChat? It was a demo-app and was a blatant rip-off of Campfire. Nobody dares to compete with Basecamp? Are you kidding me? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_project_management_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_project_managemen...
    - lionshare 16y ago
      Huddle-chat was free. They shut it down for no reason but J Fried loud "Google is evil" complains. Techcrunch here http://techcrunch.com/2008/04/08/google-to-close-huddlechat/ http://techcrunch.com/2008/04/08/google-to-close-huddlechat/ Gigaom here: http://gigaom.com/2008/04/09/in-the-huddlechat-debacle-a-lesson-for-web-20-startups/ http://gigaom.com/2008/04/09/in-the-huddlechat-debacle-a-les... So we have to pay for Campfire. And nobody did Basecamp as is, which is not that complicated, for the same reason.
      - mseebach 16y ago
        You're rambling. Basecamp alternative: http://lessprojects.com/ http://lessprojects.com/ - Status: Not shut down. Basecamp alternative: https://www.hoisthq.com/ https://www.hoisthq.com/ - Status: Private beta Free, open-source Campfire alternative: https://echowaves.com/ https://echowaves.com/ - Status: Not shut down. And these are just the ones I know about (OK, I had to Google for a second to find EchoWaves). Final nail in the coffin: If 37S was "competing" by shutting down competitors, why are they innovating their products at the pace they are? The Campfire of today doesn't look like the Campfire HuddleChat ripped off.
        lionshare 16y ago
        But not in Google Apps! Google had no problem to add tasks (talk to remember the milk). But why not project management? BTW - it's fair. J.Fried is using his ammunition to protect his business. But let's just call it what it is. Reg innovative: Huddle chat was written in weeks. We can only guess where it be now. Basecamp is great, but very similar to what it was 2 years ago Anyway guys, we all should only hope the best of luck for this Diaspora thing instead of bashing them. That's all I'm saying. Mr. Fried could wait at least until the finance period is done.
  - ubernostrum 16y ago
    Your comments indicate less of a reasoned argument on the topic, and more of a personal animosity toward Jason Fried, 37Signals or both. Perhaps you should step back and take a deep breath?
    - lionshare 16y ago
      Not a bit. They are a great company, great products and great inspiration. I just think that this post is ugly. He could wait a while, let them finish the finance, let them work, and in a few months write about the results. The rush, the hurry, the strong word ("a curse") is - to me - too bold to be pure "startup/product advice" issue.
    - lionshare 16y ago
      And you tell me, please, why there is no project management solution in Google Apss
      - modoc 16y ago
        Because they haven't wanted to build one....
  - kristiandupont 16y ago
    You are not trolling, are you? I am sorry, but do you think that Jason can "shut down" something that Google makes, just with his writing? And seriously, the idea of Diaspora competing with BaseCamp takes some imagination! At such an abstract level, almost any web app could be said to compete with any other web app.
    - jacquesm 16y ago
      > You are not trolling, are you? Of course he is. Isn't that obvious.
      - lionshare 16y ago
        I think that Fried's post is trolling. It's not a simple opinion: it may well slow down their finance. 4 brave guys, dedicated for an important goal, in the right time. Instead of wishing them luck calling them "Curse"? and I AM the troll?
    - lionshare 16y ago
      I think it's a legitimate opinion. The comments are about facts. Please read the links I provided.
- aviahc 16y ago
  nope, he is trying to block the finance momentum. they are going to need every $, which he and his provocative blog will not What's the rush to bash Diaspora and make backers back off? so people put about 20$ each for seed round in an important project for seemingly honest guys. It's not that he has to stop a Maydof scheme. The rush to disturb it, the strong word ("curse") are the result of deeper interest to stop them.
- steveklabnik 16y ago
  Is it really that provacative to say that an early stage venture will fail?
mechanical_fish 16y ago
Please. Somehow I doubt that Jason Fried, of all people, is losing sleep because of a vaporware product in a completely different space. Or do you think that somehow Diaspora will be a product management solution? Will it also do my taxes? Perhaps it will print bingo cards, organize my book collection, and bake the world's tastiest pies? This is exactly what Fried is talking about: When you launch a pure-vapor product you encourage people to project fantasies onto it. That sends you lots and lots of false signals and sets the public up to be disappointed.
- lionshare 16y ago
  So 4 CS grads raising below seed round range for a much needed project and supported by so many people is a Curse? For THAT he could not sleep? A pity that this attitude comes from a startup news site. Again: It's a paradigm shift that should enable to create new class of web applications in "nodes" instead of "central hubs". And all central hub owners, who make their revenues from the old paradigm, should be worried. We have seen this shifts wiping out companies so fast before. It's not something to laugh about. He is just trying to stop the finance momentum.
  - dasil003 16y ago
    What makes you think Fried is losing sleep? Man, after reading the rest of your posts in this thread, you really need to stop and re-evaluate the rationality of your opinions. 37signals is not some machiavellian puppetmaster. Fried posted a simple opinion piece on a hot topic and you immediately start frothing at the mouth like a times square end-of-worlder. Get a grip.
shadowsun7 16y ago
You've not making any sense. Diaspora is a Facebook competitor. Arguing that Diaspora threatens Basecamp implies that Facebook itself threatens Basecamp. Which isn't true. And, even if that were true, it will be still be wrong because vaporware isn't a threat.
- jacquesm 16y ago
  Correction, diaspora is a wannabe facebook competitor.

mseebach 16y ago

Well, wordpress.com isn't a player in the e-mail space, which was the analogy. And regarding Basecamp/Diaspora: I can already get most of the same functionality I can get from Basecamp in plenty of other products, both hosted and open-source. Basecamp is popular because it's really, really good, not by a long shot because they are the only option. A project management application on the Diaspora platform would have zero advantage over Basecamp because of that. And even if it would have, Diaspora is open, and 37S could just implement Basecamp as a node. Fried says Diaspora is going to fail because it's the provocative thing to do, and that's what Fried does on his blog.

lionshare 16y ago
Than how do you explain his (successful) campaign against the free google chat that competes with Campfire? Google shut it down, basically, because it's "unfair to J.Fried". Since Google did it, nobody else dare to compete directly with Basecamp, as is. Diaspora is a paradigm shift, and it will be easier to implement a better Basecamp without single point of registration and billing.
- mseebach 16y ago
  Are you talking about HuddleChat? It was a demo-app and was a blatant rip-off of Campfire. Nobody dares to compete with Basecamp? Are you kidding me? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_project_management_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_project_managemen...
  - lionshare 16y ago
    Huddle-chat was free. They shut it down for no reason but J Fried loud "Google is evil" complains. Techcrunch here http://techcrunch.com/2008/04/08/google-to-close-huddlechat/ http://techcrunch.com/2008/04/08/google-to-close-huddlechat/ Gigaom here: http://gigaom.com/2008/04/09/in-the-huddlechat-debacle-a-lesson-for-web-20-startups/ http://gigaom.com/2008/04/09/in-the-huddlechat-debacle-a-les... So we have to pay for Campfire. And nobody did Basecamp as is, which is not that complicated, for the same reason.
    - mseebach 16y ago
      You're rambling. Basecamp alternative: http://lessprojects.com/ http://lessprojects.com/ - Status: Not shut down. Basecamp alternative: https://www.hoisthq.com/ https://www.hoisthq.com/ - Status: Private beta Free, open-source Campfire alternative: https://echowaves.com/ https://echowaves.com/ - Status: Not shut down. And these are just the ones I know about (OK, I had to Google for a second to find EchoWaves). Final nail in the coffin: If 37S was "competing" by shutting down competitors, why are they innovating their products at the pace they are? The Campfire of today doesn't look like the Campfire HuddleChat ripped off.
      - lionshare 16y ago
        But not in Google Apps! Google had no problem to add tasks (talk to remember the milk). But why not project management? BTW - it's fair. J.Fried is using his ammunition to protect his business. But let's just call it what it is. Reg innovative: Huddle chat was written in weeks. We can only guess where it be now. Basecamp is great, but very similar to what it was 2 years ago Anyway guys, we all should only hope the best of luck for this Diaspora thing instead of bashing them. That's all I'm saying. Mr. Fried could wait at least until the finance period is done.
- ubernostrum 16y ago
  Your comments indicate less of a reasoned argument on the topic, and more of a personal animosity toward Jason Fried, 37Signals or both. Perhaps you should step back and take a deep breath?
  - lionshare 16y ago
    Not a bit. They are a great company, great products and great inspiration. I just think that this post is ugly. He could wait a while, let them finish the finance, let them work, and in a few months write about the results. The rush, the hurry, the strong word ("a curse") is - to me - too bold to be pure "startup/product advice" issue.
  - lionshare 16y ago
    And you tell me, please, why there is no project management solution in Google Apss
    - modoc 16y ago
      Because they haven't wanted to build one....
- kristiandupont 16y ago
  You are not trolling, are you? I am sorry, but do you think that Jason can "shut down" something that Google makes, just with his writing? And seriously, the idea of Diaspora competing with BaseCamp takes some imagination! At such an abstract level, almost any web app could be said to compete with any other web app.
  - jacquesm 16y ago
    > You are not trolling, are you? Of course he is. Isn't that obvious.
    - lionshare 16y ago
      I think that Fried's post is trolling. It's not a simple opinion: it may well slow down their finance. 4 brave guys, dedicated for an important goal, in the right time. Instead of wishing them luck calling them "Curse"? and I AM the troll?
  - lionshare 16y ago
    I think it's a legitimate opinion. The comments are about facts. Please read the links I provided.
aviahc 16y ago
nope, he is trying to block the finance momentum. they are going to need every $, which he and his provocative blog will not What's the rush to bash Diaspora and make backers back off? so people put about 20$ each for seed round in an important project for seemingly honest guys. It's not that he has to stop a Maydof scheme. The rush to disturb it, the strong word ("curse") are the result of deeper interest to stop them.
steveklabnik 16y ago
Is it really that provacative to say that an early stage venture will fail?

mechanical_fish 16y ago

Please. Somehow I doubt that Jason Fried, of all people, is losing sleep because of a vaporware product in a completely different space. Or do you think that somehow Diaspora will be a product management solution? Will it also do my taxes? Perhaps it will print bingo cards, organize my book collection, and bake the world's tastiest pies? This is exactly what Fried is talking about: When you launch a pure-vapor product you encourage people to project fantasies onto it. That sends you lots and lots of false signals and sets the public up to be disappointed.

lionshare 16y ago
So 4 CS grads raising below seed round range for a much needed project and supported by so many people is a Curse? For THAT he could not sleep? A pity that this attitude comes from a startup news site. Again: It's a paradigm shift that should enable to create new class of web applications in "nodes" instead of "central hubs". And all central hub owners, who make their revenues from the old paradigm, should be worried. We have seen this shifts wiping out companies so fast before. It's not something to laugh about. He is just trying to stop the finance momentum.
- dasil003 16y ago
  What makes you think Fried is losing sleep? Man, after reading the rest of your posts in this thread, you really need to stop and re-evaluate the rationality of your opinions. 37signals is not some machiavellian puppetmaster. Fried posted a simple opinion piece on a hot topic and you immediately start frothing at the mouth like a times square end-of-worlder. Get a grip.

shadowsun7 16y ago

You've not making any sense. Diaspora is a Facebook competitor. Arguing that Diaspora threatens Basecamp implies that Facebook itself threatens Basecamp. Which isn't true. And, even if that were true, it will be still be wrong because vaporware isn't a threat.

jacquesm 16y ago
Correction, diaspora is a wannabe facebook competitor.