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Anyone have any examples of a "seminal" iOS app which is still 32 bit?

by nstj 10y ago

givinguflac 10y ago
No, no they don't. Any app that's still 32 but hasn't been updated in almost two years. How crucial could it be?
- PinguTS 10y ago
  How about an App that controls stuff where the iPad (or iPod) is just used as a "cheap" HMI. For example iPads are used in stage control with dedicated Apps. The hardware, which the App controls, does not change. But the iPad itself has to be replaced with a newer one, or even you can't buy old ones. Think about, building control which is build for 20+ years.
  - Jtsummers 10y ago
    If you're using it in that situation and you're blindly updating the OS, you're doing it wrong. You have a very explicit dependency, the application. The OS shouldn't get touched unless you know the application is supported by it. We have, similar, setups at work for our test stations, though with Windows holding the interface application. Essentially replacing walls of control panels with one application and computer. We do not push OS or major library updates to those computers until we have verified that the application will either be unaffected or has been updated to correct whatever issues the new OS or library introduce.
    - mikeash 10y ago
      What if the hardware fails and you have to buy new hardware? Not a problem with Windows, but you can't downgrade iOS.
      - Jtsummers 10y ago
        That should be a major consideration before purchasing it, then. We have dependencies on VAX systems, so I'm fairly well aware of this risk. We work deliberately, now, to future-proof our systems. Depending on a very closed platform like iOS and a specific iPad version is the antithesis of future-proofing and any risk analysis should reveal the pitfalls. If someone still chose to use it, they have little ground to complain about being unable to replace that hardware/software easily in 3-5 years, let alone 20.
coob 10y ago
You won't hear any good answer because there isn't one.
- wang_li 10y ago
  Who are you or anyone else to tell me that the app that I paid for is not "seminal" and therefore Apple gets to remove my ability to use it? You might suggest that I don't have to upgrade iOS. But I have two responses to that. First, is that Apple has begun popping up frequent nag dialogs on the devices telling you to upgrade. Second, upgrades to iOS are the only way to get security fixes. It's one thing to give people a choice to opt out of the newest UI style vs. running older apps. It's something entirely different to require them to forego security fixes. Security issues that by rights should be considered defects in the products with Apple being given a choice of repairing the defects on every platform the defect exists on or buying back the old devices and paying the costs of switching for the people who bought the products in good faith. It's bullshit that fully functional hardware is completely unsafe to use because Apple chooses not to fixes security bugs in the iOS versions that run on those devices. E.g. first generation iPad is not safe to use online because Apple has abandoned support.
  - jorgemf 10y ago
    Why do you care about security fixes when updating the OS but you don't care about security fixes of apps? If an app is 2 years old it is probably using libraries with security issues. I would blame the developer for not updating the app, not apple. (I am saying this as an app developer).
    - wang_li 10y ago
      Not all apps involve connecting to an arbitrary set of network services or provide a listening port as an attack vector. Regardless, these are not exclusive values. We don't have to have one or the other. If Apple ships a device that is defective, it's bullshit for them to say "that piece of hardware is two years old, it's not going to get fixed." Ask yourself how many if the goods you have are less than two years old? I'm not saying they should bring every feature from all later releases to the older devices, but actual bugs should be fixed for longer than two years.
chadaustin 10y ago
Field Runners Cooking Mama iOS Wolfenstein RPG Those were just a few I tried.

Anyone have any examples of a "seminal" iOS app which is still 32 bit?

by nstj 10y ago

Anyone have any examples of a "seminal" iOS app which is still 32 bit?

givinguflac 10y ago

No, no they don't. Any app that's still 32 but hasn't been updated in almost two years. How crucial could it be?

PinguTS 10y ago
How about an App that controls stuff where the iPad (or iPod) is just used as a "cheap" HMI. For example iPads are used in stage control with dedicated Apps. The hardware, which the App controls, does not change. But the iPad itself has to be replaced with a newer one, or even you can't buy old ones. Think about, building control which is build for 20+ years.
- Jtsummers 10y ago
  If you're using it in that situation and you're blindly updating the OS, you're doing it wrong. You have a very explicit dependency, the application. The OS shouldn't get touched unless you know the application is supported by it. We have, similar, setups at work for our test stations, though with Windows holding the interface application. Essentially replacing walls of control panels with one application and computer. We do not push OS or major library updates to those computers until we have verified that the application will either be unaffected or has been updated to correct whatever issues the new OS or library introduce.
  - mikeash 10y ago
    What if the hardware fails and you have to buy new hardware? Not a problem with Windows, but you can't downgrade iOS.
    - Jtsummers 10y ago
      That should be a major consideration before purchasing it, then. We have dependencies on VAX systems, so I'm fairly well aware of this risk. We work deliberately, now, to future-proof our systems. Depending on a very closed platform like iOS and a specific iPad version is the antithesis of future-proofing and any risk analysis should reveal the pitfalls. If someone still chose to use it, they have little ground to complain about being unable to replace that hardware/software easily in 3-5 years, let alone 20.

coob 10y ago

You won't hear any good answer because there isn't one.

wang_li 10y ago
Who are you or anyone else to tell me that the app that I paid for is not "seminal" and therefore Apple gets to remove my ability to use it? You might suggest that I don't have to upgrade iOS. But I have two responses to that. First, is that Apple has begun popping up frequent nag dialogs on the devices telling you to upgrade. Second, upgrades to iOS are the only way to get security fixes. It's one thing to give people a choice to opt out of the newest UI style vs. running older apps. It's something entirely different to require them to forego security fixes. Security issues that by rights should be considered defects in the products with Apple being given a choice of repairing the defects on every platform the defect exists on or buying back the old devices and paying the costs of switching for the people who bought the products in good faith. It's bullshit that fully functional hardware is completely unsafe to use because Apple chooses not to fixes security bugs in the iOS versions that run on those devices. E.g. first generation iPad is not safe to use online because Apple has abandoned support.
- jorgemf 10y ago
  Why do you care about security fixes when updating the OS but you don't care about security fixes of apps? If an app is 2 years old it is probably using libraries with security issues. I would blame the developer for not updating the app, not apple. (I am saying this as an app developer).
  - wang_li 10y ago
    Not all apps involve connecting to an arbitrary set of network services or provide a listening port as an attack vector. Regardless, these are not exclusive values. We don't have to have one or the other. If Apple ships a device that is defective, it's bullshit for them to say "that piece of hardware is two years old, it's not going to get fixed." Ask yourself how many if the goods you have are less than two years old? I'm not saying they should bring every feature from all later releases to the older devices, but actual bugs should be fixed for longer than two years.

chadaustin 10y ago

Field Runners Cooking Mama iOS Wolfenstein RPG Those were just a few I tried.