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It's hilarious that you think progressive extremists are pure and good, meanwhile the evil "Conservatives" pervert America with their traditional family unit, w

by ihsw 10y ago

It's hilarious that you think progressive extremists are pure and good, meanwhile the evil "Conservatives" pervert America with their traditional family unit, working-class values, and newly elected president. Here's a newsflash -- the Dems are just as responsible for our current state of affairs by doubling down on pointless identity politics, hateful rhetoric, and hopeless fake news. Such adherence ideological extremism will only serve to destroy the Democratic party before 2018.

mundo 10y ago
> It's hilarious that you think [ridiculous exaggeration of what OP said] If you're going to restate someone's argument, do it in a way that they would agree with.
fictioncircle 10y ago
> It's hilarious that you think progressive extremists are pure and good, meanwhile the evil "Conservatives" pervert America with their traditional family unit, working-class values, and newly elected president. > Here's a newsflash -- the Dems are just as responsible for our current state of affairs by doubling down on pointless identity politics, hateful rhetoric, and hopeless fake news. Such adherence ideological extremism will only serve to destroy the Democratic party before 2018. 1) As the other person mentioned, its a ridiculous exaggeration. You ignored the second half of my comment and went on a tangent like the other person did. 2) The Conservatives won through white identity politics, hateful rhetoric, and propaganda news produced by Bannon who now holds various key government positions. This is the pot calling the kettle black (at best). 3) The Conservatives already are launching attacks on the 1st amendment (and other portions of the Constitution) against legal residents of the US and its citizens. That is evil in its most pure form in America. It is also evil when Progressives do it. They just, frankly, do it differently and the problem here is you are clearly OK with one and not the other. I call either party attacking the Constitution evil.
- civilian 10y ago
  In regards to 2): Both parties are using identity politics, but I feel like it's distinctly the progressive left that is using it to be divisive. They call out problems that are barely there and normal white/straight america is just kind of tired of being told they're a sexist/racist/whatever, when they're really not. "You're either with our most radical programs and subsidies for our favored identities, or you're against us!"
  - eli_gottlieb 10y ago
    >In regards to 2): Both parties are using identity politics, but I feel like it's distinctly the progressive left that is using it to be divisive. I don't think that having the Republicans tell me to act more white and Christian, when I'm actually only sort of white and not Christian at all, is unifying. It feels a lot more like being singled out and attacked.
    - civilian 10y ago
      Do Rs actually tell you to be more white and Christian? Calling BS. I've lived in Massachusetts, that was not my experience at all.
      - eli_gottlieb 10y ago
        I live in Massachusetts. While they don't overtly wave racial and religious flags here, they do market themselves based on features that co-cluster, such as rural identity and "tradition". Same rubbish, slightly nicer packaging.
- flukus 10y ago
  > The Conservatives won through white identity politics, hateful rhetoric, and propaganda news produced by Bannon who now holds various key government positions. This is the pot calling the kettle black (at best). Which only exists because the left has been playing identity politics for so long and has lately been demonizing being white.
  - scholia 10y ago
    The left hasn't been doing that. Not at all. The right has played the angry white racist card, and the majority of Trump's supporters trend towards the racist end of the spectrum (as shown in a YouGov poll in The Economist). Trump started this with his racist birther lies, aimed at undermining a legitimate black president. He then made a series of racist attacks on other non-whites, and he also adopted an old racist slogan: America First. As a result, the KKK newspaper was almost the only newspaper to endorse Trump for President. (The other was owned by a large Republican backer.) All of this is ultimately about white supremacists holding on to or regaining lost privileges and demonizing anybody who isn't white.
    - flukus 10y ago
      > The right has played the angry white racist card, and the majority of Trump's supporters trend towards the racist end of the spectrum Your doing it right now, demonizing everyone that voted for trump as a white supremacist. Keep it up if you want but the more you do the more you'll ensure they'll never vote for the left again. How is "America First" racist?
      - scholia 10y ago
        Yes, because everything I've said is provably true. This is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. Didn't you look at the audiences (and flags) in Trump's rallies? Didn't you hear him attacking Mexicans as rapists, attacking an American judge for being of Mexican heritage, insulting a non-white Gold Star family, and on and on? Trump has a long history of racism, dating back to being sued along with his father for not renting to non-whites. He has also boasted about his superior "German genes". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yh0jAxOxGE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yh0jAxOxGE America First https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2qf7rkWEAAyxja.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2qf7rkWEAAyxja.jpg Also look up all the cartoons from Dr Seuss Went to War, like this one http://library.ucsd.edu/dc/object/bb4164680v/_2.jpg http://library.ucsd.edu/dc/object/bb4164680v/_2.jpg

by ihsw 10y ago

mundo 10y ago

> It's hilarious that you think [ridiculous exaggeration of what OP said] If you're going to restate someone's argument, do it in a way that they would agree with.

fictioncircle 10y ago

> It's hilarious that you think progressive extremists are pure and good, meanwhile the evil "Conservatives" pervert America with their traditional family unit, working-class values, and newly elected president. > Here's a newsflash -- the Dems are just as responsible for our current state of affairs by doubling down on pointless identity politics, hateful rhetoric, and hopeless fake news. Such adherence ideological extremism will only serve to destroy the Democratic party before 2018. 1) As the other person mentioned, its a ridiculous exaggeration. You ignored the second half of my comment and went on a tangent like the other person did. 2) The Conservatives won through white identity politics, hateful rhetoric, and propaganda news produced by Bannon who now holds various key government positions. This is the pot calling the kettle black (at best). 3) The Conservatives already are launching attacks on the 1st amendment (and other portions of the Constitution) against legal residents of the US and its citizens. That is evil in its most pure form in America. It is also evil when Progressives do it. They just, frankly, do it differently and the problem here is you are clearly OK with one and not the other. I call either party attacking the Constitution evil.

civilian 10y ago
In regards to 2): Both parties are using identity politics, but I feel like it's distinctly the progressive left that is using it to be divisive. They call out problems that are barely there and normal white/straight america is just kind of tired of being told they're a sexist/racist/whatever, when they're really not. "You're either with our most radical programs and subsidies for our favored identities, or you're against us!"
- eli_gottlieb 10y ago
  >In regards to 2): Both parties are using identity politics, but I feel like it's distinctly the progressive left that is using it to be divisive. I don't think that having the Republicans tell me to act more white and Christian, when I'm actually only sort of white and not Christian at all, is unifying. It feels a lot more like being singled out and attacked.
  - civilian 10y ago
    Do Rs actually tell you to be more white and Christian? Calling BS. I've lived in Massachusetts, that was not my experience at all.
    - eli_gottlieb 10y ago
      I live in Massachusetts. While they don't overtly wave racial and religious flags here, they do market themselves based on features that co-cluster, such as rural identity and "tradition". Same rubbish, slightly nicer packaging.
flukus 10y ago
> The Conservatives won through white identity politics, hateful rhetoric, and propaganda news produced by Bannon who now holds various key government positions. This is the pot calling the kettle black (at best). Which only exists because the left has been playing identity politics for so long and has lately been demonizing being white.
- scholia 10y ago
  The left hasn't been doing that. Not at all. The right has played the angry white racist card, and the majority of Trump's supporters trend towards the racist end of the spectrum (as shown in a YouGov poll in The Economist). Trump started this with his racist birther lies, aimed at undermining a legitimate black president. He then made a series of racist attacks on other non-whites, and he also adopted an old racist slogan: America First. As a result, the KKK newspaper was almost the only newspaper to endorse Trump for President. (The other was owned by a large Republican backer.) All of this is ultimately about white supremacists holding on to or regaining lost privileges and demonizing anybody who isn't white.
  - flukus 10y ago
    > The right has played the angry white racist card, and the majority of Trump's supporters trend towards the racist end of the spectrum Your doing it right now, demonizing everyone that voted for trump as a white supremacist. Keep it up if you want but the more you do the more you'll ensure they'll never vote for the left again. How is "America First" racist?
    - scholia 10y ago
      Yes, because everything I've said is provably true. This is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. Didn't you look at the audiences (and flags) in Trump's rallies? Didn't you hear him attacking Mexicans as rapists, attacking an American judge for being of Mexican heritage, insulting a non-white Gold Star family, and on and on? Trump has a long history of racism, dating back to being sued along with his father for not renting to non-whites. He has also boasted about his superior "German genes". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yh0jAxOxGE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yh0jAxOxGE America First https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2qf7rkWEAAyxja.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2qf7rkWEAAyxja.jpg Also look up all the cartoons from Dr Seuss Went to War, like this one http://library.ucsd.edu/dc/object/bb4164680v/_2.jpg http://library.ucsd.edu/dc/object/bb4164680v/_2.jpg