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LG 5K display must be kept at least 2 meters away from Wi-Fi routers
- jbmorgado 10y agoWhat seems a complete disregard for the costumer is that the solution proposed by LG itself is to "increase the distance between the monitor and the router". Seems that working directly with Apple made them take a hint from the "you are just holding it wrong" excuse of Steve Jobs.
- ClassyJacket 10y agoSteve Jobs never said "you are just holding it wrong".
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- jbmorgado 10y agoHe wrote, ipsis verbis, "don't hold it that way". https://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2010/jun/25/iphone-reception-problems-solved https://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2010/jun/25/ipho...
- ClassyJacket 10y agoThe very source you linked says he said "Just avoid holding it in that way". So he did not say what you said ipsis verbis, and he certainly did not say "You're holding it wrong". That was made up by reddit.
- naz 10y agoDoes this mean LG is violating the FCC requirement that a device must accept interference?
- throwaway37482 10y agoIt's the reverse. The FCC is about jamming the signal not being jammed.
- jrkatz 10y agoElaborating, my understanding is that the 'accept interference' bit is more about placing such devices low on the legal totem pole: The TV owner or manufacturer doesn't have a legal right to _not_ be interfered with; it _must accept_ interference. Whether it continues to work or fails after 'accepting' the interference is its own business. With that interpretation, they would be in violation of that clause if they sued the router manufacturer over this.
- aexaey 10y agoIt's both: Title 47 - Telecommunication. § 15.5 (b) [...] subject to the conditions that no harmful interference is caused and that interference must be accepted [...] https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2015-title47-vol1/xml/CFR-2015-title47-vol1-sec15-5.xml https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2015-title47-vol1/xml/CFR-...
- wl 10y agoNot true. When the FCC says you must accept interference, that means you have to live with it if the interfering device meets emissions standards. It doesn't mean the device has to be functional in the face of interference.
- kpil 10y agoAre you sure? Seems to be pointless if it just means that it will not be irrecovably damaged.
- jstanley 10y agoIt doesn't even mean it won't be irrecoverably damaged, it just means the manufacturer of the damaged hardware can't sue the manufacturer of the interfering hardware. They must accept the interference in a philosophical manner more than a technical one.
- gm-conspiracy 10y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_47_CFR_Part_15 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_47_CFR_Part_15 ?
- knarph 10y agoSounds about right. Nothing some creative use of foil wont fix. Just what I'd want to do to my new ~$1000 monitor.
- edwhitesell 10y agoPart 15 is only for transmissions. However, it sounds like it isn't handling reception very well.
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- lightedman 10y agoBet that USB-C cable is the issue. I've come across plenty that had horrible RF shielding.
- ihuman 10y agoI wonder if a simple ferrite bead would fix the issue.
- romanovcode 10y agoThis monitor is pathetic. 900 dollars for a monitor and it doesn't even support upstream. Save your time and money and buy a DELL or something that actually works guys.
- refulgentis 10y agoWhat is upstream?
- paws 10y agoAccording to a comment[1]" "An upstream port connects to the host device (PC) while the downstream ports are where you plug in peripheral devices (thumb drives, printers, etc.)." Of course the 5k monitor does have three USB3 ports. (Not Thunderbolt ports, ostensibly because there isn't enough bandwidth left.) [1] https://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/upstream-vs-downstream-ports-600980/ https://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/upstream-vs-downstre...
- romanovcode 10y agoI like how they use USB-C inputs for USB3 ports as well. Not at all false advertising and confusing for end-user.
- yoz-y 10y agoWhy? This is the promise of USB-C "Every port uses the same connector, so you only need one type of cable". Of course, with the different cables supporting different ports it is not ideal.
- romanovcode 10y agoIt's when you connect your keyboard and mouse to monitor instead of laptop/pc. Essentially only one wire goes to your laptop/pc instead of 3.
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- markonen 10y agoI have one of these displays at the office (as well as the 4K version) and they both very much feel like an Apple product sans the aluminum casing. So this makes me suspect that the metal case was really supposed to be there when the electronics were put together.
- bluedino 10y agoI disagree. I used one at an Apple store and it was terribly slow. It looked great, of course, but as soon as you tried to use Expose or Mission Control (whatever it's called now) it turned into a slideshow and almost made me think the computer froze up.
- throwawayish 10y agoThe computer being unable to render it's UI fast enough has exactly what to do with the display...?
- falcolas 10y agoI'd be curious if an enterprising soul with some foil and a ground could identify the specific vulnerable hardware and put out some notes on how to, err, patch it.
- FrancoDiaz 10y agoI've had a couple 27" 1440p monitors since those cheap Korean (QNX and the like) came on the market a few years ago. The natural upgrade path for me would be to ditch those and get a big-ass 5k monitor eventually, but I don't see the market really moving in that direction in an affordable way. One 4k isn't going to cut it and I'm worried two 4k monitors is going to be to much from a field of vision perspective....maybe I'm wrong there. Has anybody upgraded from a couple 1440p monitors to a couple 4k monitors, and what's your experience been?
- systemtest 10y agoHave you thought about the 40" 4K displays from Philips and Iiyama? I believe they are around $600.
- Tom1971 10y agoI went from 2 1440p to one 32" 4K and 1 1440p. It's been one of the biggest productivity improvements since moving from 640x480 to 1024x768. The 1440p is now only used for minor stuff like email and not really necessary anymore. I soon moved to a 32" 4K at home as well, because I just couldn't stand just 1440 anymore. One of the interesting parts is that I don't use 4K fully: it's too much surface are and your head tilts too much to see everything at once. But what's great is that I can put a background process as full screen in the background and have a 3500x1800 window in front in which I do my real work. So I can observe the proceedings of the background talks without having to toggle windows all the time.
- bryanlarsen 10y agoAgreed, I think 32" 4K is the sweet spot for Linux & Windows. The PPI is 140, which is "marginally retina" -- you can see pixels if you get close. Higher PPI is sharper even once you get past "retina", but it's definitely a case of diminishing returns. But the nice thing about 140 PPI is that you can run without scaling if you absolutely need to. You have to squint and you wouldn't want to do it too often, but it does work for those rare apps that don't scale well. And the 32" size is about perfect too, IMO. The height is about the maximum you can view without head movement.
- pbnjay 10y agoWell I'm glad I didn't invest in this monitor yet! My desk in less than 2 meters from my wifi and I can't move either easily... (wifi mounted to ceiling, nowhere else for the desk)
- antidaily 10y agoBest alternative?
- paws 10y agoThis monitor was Apple's chance to ease the USB-C transition and IMO they blew it. The previous gen Thunderbolt display effectively brought all the useful ports[1] back to the MacBooks with one cable, and made even the Air viable for a professional. It certainly was a big factor for me back in 2011. Unfortunately with the current 5k display, the three included ports aren't even USB 3.1 gen 2. Like many other pros, I prefer to have dedicated keyboard/mouse, speakers, and Ethernet, and would have been happy to run a second cable if it brought those things back. Right now it's looking like our best 'pro 5k' option is duct taping a hub[2] to the back of someone else's display. And it's not clear which hubs support the 15" MBP 87W charging requirement. Feels like such a missed opportunity. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Apple-MC914LL-27-inch-Thunderbolt-Display/dp/B004YLCKYA https://www.amazon.com/Apple-MC914LL-27-inch-Thunderbolt-Dis... [2] https://eshop.macsales.com/preorder/owc-thunderbolt-3-dock/ https://eshop.macsales.com/preorder/owc-thunderbolt-3-dock/
- minimaxir 10y ago> Like many professionals, I prefer to have dedicated keyboard/mouse, speakers, and Ethernet, and would have been happy to run a second cable if it brought those things back. Each port provides 5V/1.5A; enough for multiple USB-A peripherals on a single port with a USB-C to multi-USB-A. (I have a LG 5K and I use a keyboard, mouse, and microphone on one port; it works great) And USB-C speed (5 Gbps) will not bottleneck data transfer in that case.
- paws 10y agoGlad that's working nicely for your needs. Are you happy with the display overall? I agree for the low bandwidth devices you've mentioned it's fine to hang everything off the one line. There is of course a speed hit for higher bandwidth needs[1] e.g. RAID arrays but that was true for the previous gen too.[2] Nevertheless I still find it a shame we lost the variety of integrated ports from the previous gen. If we have to buy extra dongles anyway I'm equally ready to check out competitor panels. AFAIK the LG 5k is the only panel offering 87W power output, right? [1] http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/01/07/review-lg-ultrafine-5k-display-with-thunderbolt-3-for-apples-2016-macbook-pro http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/01/07/review-lg-ultrafin... [2] http://www.macworld.com/article/1163773/storage/thunderbolt-how-devices-affect-each-other-on-a-daisy-chain.html http://www.macworld.com/article/1163773/storage/thunderbolt-...
- rocky1138 10y agoI'm not a fan of Apple, but I think it's unfair to blame Apple in this case. If it's an LG monitor, it's LG's problem.
- symfoniq 10y agoApple designated this monitor as the successor to the discontinued Thunderbolt Display, and they sell it alongside Macs in the Apple Store.
- deathanatos 10y agoThe kernel panics and lockups are not LG's fault. I somewhat agree with you, but the manner in which Apple is promoting this display combined with the utter lack of ports on the MBP (hooking up my previous two displays would have been a dongle nightmare) make me less willing to excuse them.
- thatswrong0 10y agoYeah seriously. The display crashed multiple El Capitan running MBPs at my office.. so they had to upgrade to Sierra. You think it would work flawlessly instead.
- cm2187 10y agoI had a 60in plasma TV from LG that was systematically disconnecting my DSL connection when the image was too bright. The telephone cable was going under the wooden floor under the TV. Solved it by switching to an LED TV.
- iwaffles 10y agoI haven't had any issues with the 5K monitor and it's about 3 feet from the router. At least for me it works incredibly well.
- deathanatos 10y agoYou are lucky. I have an LG 5K, and I have experienced every symptom (excepting the "no nearby wireless" bit, as I'm not sure if there is wireless nearby) described here: > kernel panics on the host machine, random flickering […], and USB devices not being reliably detected when plugged into the monitor. I'll have to check where my APs are, now that I know about this association. But it's been a damn struggle; I feel like 50% of the times I connect to it, I have to disconnect & reconnect USB devices to get them to be detected on the host.
- selckin 10y agoI have an ASUS VG248QE (144hz) monitor, and when i put my phone under it, the screen goes black