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Washington Post as an impartial fact-checker? Surely, you must be joking. WP has been pretty blazen in disregard in their "facts" during the election and have m

Washington Post as an impartial fact-checker? Surely, you must be joking. WP has been pretty blazen in disregard in their "facts" during the election and have most blatantly been pushing an anti-Trump agenda under Bezos's guide. Obama most certainly did suspend or slow immigration from Iraq for a period, regardless of religion. Difference is Obama only did it for Iraq for 30 days, Trump has named 9 countries for the "ban" for 90 days, none of which is capable or willing to cooperate with background checks. All 9 countries are countries that were known to the Obama administration as either harboring or sponsoring terrorists. There is no religious test here. There is no racial test. Everyone wanting to the enter the US from these 9 countries are all subjected to the same scrutiny.

seanmcdirmid 10y ago
All other news sources reported the same thing. This is simply another matter of alternative facts vs. real ones.
linkregister 10y ago
In the text of the EO, "minority religions" are permitted waivers. That would appear to be a religious test.
- serge2k 10y ago
  Haven't we allowed minority religions facing persecution historically? Is this "I'm a christian so please let me in" or "I'm a christian/wrong kind of muslim (sunni vs shiite) and facing persecution so please let me in"?
  - linkregister 10y ago
    Yes, but you distract from the main issue; religious persecution is one of many criteria for asylum. Now it is the only criterion for a waiver grant. Furthermore, it is not clear that the Sunni/Shia split meets the standard defined in this document (though I agree that it absolutely should). No other reason for persecution is stated. Text: (b) Upon the resumption of USRAP admissions, the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, is further directed to make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality. Where necessary and appropriate, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall recommend legislation to the President that would assist with such prioritization.
serge2k 10y ago
> Surely, you must be joking. WP has been pretty blazen in disregard in their "facts" during the election and have most blatantly been pushing an anti-Trump agenda under Bezos's guide Can we please not allow HN to become the type of place where garbage like this is allowed? Pointing out bias is one thing, but the campaign against reputable news sources is ridiculous. If you believe they are wrong then provide evidence, any sort of alternative viewpoint. The wholesale writing off of news (previously reputable) news organizations is nothing more than a brazen attempt to weaken trust in the media and remove their ability to act as a check on government actions. The washington post is "fake news", they can't be trusted, the story they just broke which is clear and reliable evidence of watergate level misconduct is obviously a lie.

seanmcdirmid 10y ago

All other news sources reported the same thing. This is simply another matter of alternative facts vs. real ones.

linkregister 10y ago

In the text of the EO, "minority religions" are permitted waivers. That would appear to be a religious test.

serge2k 10y ago
Haven't we allowed minority religions facing persecution historically? Is this "I'm a christian so please let me in" or "I'm a christian/wrong kind of muslim (sunni vs shiite) and facing persecution so please let me in"?
- linkregister 10y ago
  Yes, but you distract from the main issue; religious persecution is one of many criteria for asylum. Now it is the only criterion for a waiver grant. Furthermore, it is not clear that the Sunni/Shia split meets the standard defined in this document (though I agree that it absolutely should). No other reason for persecution is stated. Text: (b) Upon the resumption of USRAP admissions, the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, is further directed to make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality. Where necessary and appropriate, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall recommend legislation to the President that would assist with such prioritization.

serge2k 10y ago

> Surely, you must be joking. WP has been pretty blazen in disregard in their "facts" during the election and have most blatantly been pushing an anti-Trump agenda under Bezos's guide Can we please not allow HN to become the type of place where garbage like this is allowed? Pointing out bias is one thing, but the campaign against reputable news sources is ridiculous. If you believe they are wrong then provide evidence, any sort of alternative viewpoint. The wholesale writing off of news (previously reputable) news organizations is nothing more than a brazen attempt to weaken trust in the media and remove their ability to act as a check on government actions. The washington post is "fake news", they can't be trusted, the story they just broke which is clear and reliable evidence of watergate level misconduct is obviously a lie.