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Sorry, you had trouble with your new car. It happens sometimes that cars have problems. Tesla is a physical thing and it can have problems. I would be frustrate

Sorry, you had trouble with your new car. It happens sometimes that cars have problems. Tesla is a physical thing and it can have problems. I would be frustrated that my new toy had problems, but I don't see why this couldn't happen with a porsche or bmw. In fact, they do sometimes have problems.

AtheistOfFail 10y ago
> In fact, they do sometimes have problems. The difference is those companies have their shit figured out. If I had a vehicle checked like 2 times and it left me stranded, I would blow up in someone's face if I got handed a letter that says "Customer made it up"
- pbz 10y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eXUnZrykDY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eXUnZrykDY
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- mulmen 10y ago
  BMW most certainly does not "have their shit figured out". I was quoted 15,000.00 for a new engine which turned out to be completely unnecessary. An independent shop replaced two spark plugs for $40.00 and fixed the misfire that a BMW dealer told me was caused by a bent intake valve. BMW NA told me that there was nothing they could do and that they "stand behind their dealers". All manufacturers leave a lot to be desired on the customer service front.
bobbles 10y ago
The point is that after all the crap they have gone through Teslas response was that the car contained no defect, which is obviously false
- eridius 10y ago
  Not really. The car being returned to Tesla was, at that time, in good working order. Tesla had repaired it after the last issue. Now of course given the car's history it's possible that there were still other things wrong with it, but to the best of Tesla's knowledge, at the time the letter was signed, the car was defect-free.
  - sxcurry 10y ago
    It's really interesting to see how far some people will go to absolve Tesla of anything bad. This car was a lemon and the owner got terrible service from Tesla. End of story.
    - eridius 10y ago
      I agree the owner got terrible service. I agree that the car appears to be a lemon and the owner is well within his rights to ask for a refund or replacement. All I'm saying is that the letter is not actually wrong; as far as Tesla can tell, they had repaired everything wrong with the vehicle and therefore it was in good working order. And for all we know, this diagnosis is correct, seeing as how the owner didn't try out the vehicle again after the last repair.
    - cowardlydragon 10y ago
      Except all support people know about PEBKAC. This isn't the usual holier-than-thou I did noth-ingggg! bad review. But it's always hard to know....
      - Dylan16807 10y ago
        > PEBKAC If there is something you can do from between the wheel and the seat to cause those error messages, it's Tesla's fault.
  - cardiffspaceman 10y ago
    But the wording tells the customer something that the customer did not experience, which is a terrible way to create goodwill. The customer experienced several failures. Surely that indicates a defect. So why contradict the customer? Tesla's people could privately believe the car was defect-free if they wish, but in dealing with the customer focus on the remedial action they are taking, rather than Tesla's beliefs about the car.
6502nerdface 10y ago
Did you read TFA to the end?
mdasen 10y ago
I don't think the issue was that the vehicle had problems. I think the issue was more about how Tesla handled those problems. The first failure was while they were away from home and had to convince the service manager that a week was a long turn-around time. They offered them a loaner, but not one they were allowed to drive to their destination so they had to rent a vehicle with their own funds. They found nothing wrong after three days. As they left from that repair, the car announced that it needed service twice between Ohio and California. As such, they brought it in for service in CA. This service took 10 days and they found nothing wrong. 1 week later, the problem is back and they took it in for service (at yet a third service center, this time the headquarters). Another 10 day turn-around time. The next problem was that the car refused to start. Through this, Tesla kept taking their sweet time and being less than communicative. They also didn't offer a Tesla loaner (rather giving them rentals from Enterprise). Most luxury automakers try hard to make their customers happy. Tesla didn't. When it came time to deal with the lemon law, Tesla offered to re-manufacture the car for them. They accepted and around 2 months later Tesla told them that they'd have to pay up for the re-manufactured vehicle. Finally, Tesla wouldn't even admit that there was a defect with the vehicle. As the author notes, friends with similarly priced cars had much better experiences with actually getting them repaired or replaced. It's frustrating to have problems with a car, but if the manufacturer/dealer is communicative, prompt, helpful, and honest with you, it feels a lot less bad. In this case, it doesn't feel like Tesla was any of those. They had to keep checking in on the status, Tesla took much longer than I expect car repairs to take, Tesla wasn't able to help them, and the dealing around the re-build and refund feels like a bait-and-switch. Yes, car trouble can happen to you if you buy a Porsche or BMW. But that's not the issue in this story. This isn't a story about Teslas being unreliable. This is a story about Tesla service and customer support being non-communicative, unhelpful, slow, and possibly even dishonest.
- woofyman 10y ago
  One of the loaner Teslas was defective too. The headlights would turn off intermittently.
georgemcbay 10y ago
The problem isn't that the car had an issue, it was that Tesla's customer service operation is apparently Google-esque in the way that it is over-automated to the point where it is difficult to reach a human, and when you do they are apparently script-reading cogs in a wheel that change every time you contact the company. I'm willing to deal with that when it comes to buying a $300 cellphone, but for a $100,000 car it is inexcusable. (The primary reason I haven't gone to a Pixel from a Nexus 5X is that even $650 crosses over my threshold of dealing with Googley-service).
- greglindahl 10y ago
  Huh, every time I've called the Tesla support line, a human has answered. Sometimes it's a real engineer. Tesla is #1 in customer loyalty among car brands, so it appears that my experience isn't unusual.
  - prklmn 10y ago
    This story is a perfect example of why that statistic doesn't mean much. People buying Tessa's now are so giddy to purchase that almost nothing could dissuade them from sticking with Tesla. It's a small sample size of excited early adopters. Once the hype dies down, so too will their loyalty if they continue to produce cars with poor reliability. Great customer service doesn't make up for not being able to drive the cars. http://www.autoblog.com/photos/consumer-reports-least-reliable-brands/#slide-4308492 http://www.autoblog.com/photos/consumer-reports-least-reliab...

AtheistOfFail 10y ago

> In fact, they do sometimes have problems. The difference is those companies have their shit figured out. If I had a vehicle checked like 2 times and it left me stranded, I would blow up in someone's face if I got handed a letter that says "Customer made it up"

pbz 10y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eXUnZrykDY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eXUnZrykDY
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mulmen 10y ago
BMW most certainly does not "have their shit figured out". I was quoted 15,000.00 for a new engine which turned out to be completely unnecessary. An independent shop replaced two spark plugs for $40.00 and fixed the misfire that a BMW dealer told me was caused by a bent intake valve. BMW NA told me that there was nothing they could do and that they "stand behind their dealers". All manufacturers leave a lot to be desired on the customer service front.

bobbles 10y ago

The point is that after all the crap they have gone through Teslas response was that the car contained no defect, which is obviously false

eridius 10y ago
Not really. The car being returned to Tesla was, at that time, in good working order. Tesla had repaired it after the last issue. Now of course given the car's history it's possible that there were still other things wrong with it, but to the best of Tesla's knowledge, at the time the letter was signed, the car was defect-free.
- sxcurry 10y ago
  It's really interesting to see how far some people will go to absolve Tesla of anything bad. This car was a lemon and the owner got terrible service from Tesla. End of story.
  - eridius 10y ago
    I agree the owner got terrible service. I agree that the car appears to be a lemon and the owner is well within his rights to ask for a refund or replacement. All I'm saying is that the letter is not actually wrong; as far as Tesla can tell, they had repaired everything wrong with the vehicle and therefore it was in good working order. And for all we know, this diagnosis is correct, seeing as how the owner didn't try out the vehicle again after the last repair.
  - cowardlydragon 10y ago
    Except all support people know about PEBKAC. This isn't the usual holier-than-thou I did noth-ingggg! bad review. But it's always hard to know....
    - Dylan16807 10y ago
      > PEBKAC If there is something you can do from between the wheel and the seat to cause those error messages, it's Tesla's fault.
- cardiffspaceman 10y ago
  But the wording tells the customer something that the customer did not experience, which is a terrible way to create goodwill. The customer experienced several failures. Surely that indicates a defect. So why contradict the customer? Tesla's people could privately believe the car was defect-free if they wish, but in dealing with the customer focus on the remedial action they are taking, rather than Tesla's beliefs about the car.

6502nerdface 10y ago

Did you read TFA to the end?

mdasen 10y ago

I don't think the issue was that the vehicle had problems. I think the issue was more about how Tesla handled those problems. The first failure was while they were away from home and had to convince the service manager that a week was a long turn-around time. They offered them a loaner, but not one they were allowed to drive to their destination so they had to rent a vehicle with their own funds. They found nothing wrong after three days. As they left from that repair, the car announced that it needed service twice between Ohio and California. As such, they brought it in for service in CA. This service took 10 days and they found nothing wrong. 1 week later, the problem is back and they took it in for service (at yet a third service center, this time the headquarters). Another 10 day turn-around time. The next problem was that the car refused to start. Through this, Tesla kept taking their sweet time and being less than communicative. They also didn't offer a Tesla loaner (rather giving them rentals from Enterprise). Most luxury automakers try hard to make their customers happy. Tesla didn't. When it came time to deal with the lemon law, Tesla offered to re-manufacture the car for them. They accepted and around 2 months later Tesla told them that they'd have to pay up for the re-manufactured vehicle. Finally, Tesla wouldn't even admit that there was a defect with the vehicle. As the author notes, friends with similarly priced cars had much better experiences with actually getting them repaired or replaced. It's frustrating to have problems with a car, but if the manufacturer/dealer is communicative, prompt, helpful, and honest with you, it feels a lot less bad. In this case, it doesn't feel like Tesla was any of those. They had to keep checking in on the status, Tesla took much longer than I expect car repairs to take, Tesla wasn't able to help them, and the dealing around the re-build and refund feels like a bait-and-switch. Yes, car trouble can happen to you if you buy a Porsche or BMW. But that's not the issue in this story. This isn't a story about Teslas being unreliable. This is a story about Tesla service and customer support being non-communicative, unhelpful, slow, and possibly even dishonest.

woofyman 10y ago
One of the loaner Teslas was defective too. The headlights would turn off intermittently.

georgemcbay 10y ago

The problem isn't that the car had an issue, it was that Tesla's customer service operation is apparently Google-esque in the way that it is over-automated to the point where it is difficult to reach a human, and when you do they are apparently script-reading cogs in a wheel that change every time you contact the company. I'm willing to deal with that when it comes to buying a $300 cellphone, but for a $100,000 car it is inexcusable. (The primary reason I haven't gone to a Pixel from a Nexus 5X is that even $650 crosses over my threshold of dealing with Googley-service).

greglindahl 10y ago
Huh, every time I've called the Tesla support line, a human has answered. Sometimes it's a real engineer. Tesla is #1 in customer loyalty among car brands, so it appears that my experience isn't unusual.
- prklmn 10y ago
  This story is a perfect example of why that statistic doesn't mean much. People buying Tessa's now are so giddy to purchase that almost nothing could dissuade them from sticking with Tesla. It's a small sample size of excited early adopters. Once the hype dies down, so too will their loyalty if they continue to produce cars with poor reliability. Great customer service doesn't make up for not being able to drive the cars. http://www.autoblog.com/photos/consumer-reports-least-reliable-brands/#slide-4308492 http://www.autoblog.com/photos/consumer-reports-least-reliab...