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I guess $COMIC-$REBOOT-7 isn't all that appealing.

saalweachter 10y ago
We don't really get it with the content still being controlled by its original creator / the chain of people the original creator sold the rights to, but to be honest I kind of like the idea of remaking Batman, Superman, Spiderman every few years. It becomes like Shakespeare or the opera: you don't go to see a new story, you already know it by heart. You go to see the performance and the innovation within the framework. You get to start asking questions like, "Who was the better Spiderman?".
- VLM 10y ago
  The big danger of becoming Shakespeare or the opera is you run a narrowcasting risk of turning something that 100% of the population was once familiar with into something less than 1% of the population will ever see. Financially that might not be long term sustainable. Spiderman remakes as the new Hamlet is interesting conceptually as a hard sci fi or alt hist topic. I don't think it would be realistically possible with one showing per year to 0.1% or less of the population dressed in black tie and gown. A similar yet totally different "innovation within the framework" might be traditional soap opera writing. However that begins to get close to regular TV series. Would it be possible to put on thirty years of daily Spiderman daytime drama?
  - saalweachter 10y ago
    I don't mean "on the stage" so much as the way Shakespeare -- and other public domain works, like Sherlock Holmes, Frankenstein, or Dracula -- forms the nucleus of new works of art. Every few years a new director or actor will put their spin on Sherlock Holmes -- two movies starring Robert Downey Jr, one staring Ian McKellan, and two on-going TV series. Romeo and Juliet is the basis for like a hundred movies, sometimes with tragic endings and sometimes with happy ones. Retelling well-known stories with slight variations or twists is something humans have been doing for millennia.
api 10y ago
I actually think it's this rather than technology that is killing Hollywood. They've overfit to the teenager demographic and have stopped producing films of any substance. It's now just a factory churning out film versions of comic books.
- ghaff 10y ago
  Eh. This sounds an awful lot like there's no good music/books/films/TV any longer which various people have been saying pretty much forever. There is a lot of crap out there, but Sturgeon's Law... Personally I don't have any trouble finding sufficient quality films to fill my (fairly limited) time for watching movies.
  - npsimons 10y ago
    > This sounds an awful lot like there's no good music/books/films/TV any longer which various people have been saying pretty much forever. No. People in the know have noticed the decline in originality in Hollywood, and predicted it would get worse, and they were right: http://www.gq.com/story/the-day-the-movies-died-mark-harris http://www.gq.com/story/the-day-the-movies-died-mark-harris Don't get me wrong, the plethora of film available now is astonishing and nice, but you really have to dig for the gems, especially as it seems they are not advertised. It doesn't help if, like me, you browse TVTropes and watch "Honest Trailers", "How it Should have Ended" and "Everything Wrong With" on Youtube. You start to realize how truly bad and cliche the vast majority of movies are.
    - bmm6o 10y ago
      It also seems like the Thoughtful Adult Movies get squeezed into December after 11 months of schlock. I don't get to the theaters much, but I went more in the past two months than the previous 10. And it's so depressing when you go to see Best Picture Nominee and the trailers are all for Robot Wars 6 and Shyamalan's freshest turd - it's just a reminder that you won't be back for a year.
      - 10y ago
frik 10y ago
Exactly this mass of comic super hero movies is so boring. And reboot after reboot with broken confusing story-line, with the reboot worse than the original. No wonder when idiots like the woman who was in charge at Sony Movie Pictures run such companies. The Steve Jobs move bombed big time. Instead of another superb movie in the style of Social Network we got the most boring movie ever. Please focus on movies instead of hundreds of TV series - no one has time to watch that many series anyway - or do you want to create many niches with little viewers that ay little (Netflix, etc). How about full productions (not outsourced to Canada or Australia) without overusing CGI and spend some money on good scripts. Oh, and we don't need drama and slow spacing all the time. We need more humour and action, and often less story is better. Look at Kevin alone at home 1+2, Indiana Jones 1+3, Die Hard 1+2, Airforce One, the first two Tom Clancy movies, etc. fast pacing with slow elements, a short but good story, no fuss, very good music.

We don't really get it with the content still being controlled by its original creator / the chain of people the original creator sold the rights to, but to be honest I kind of like the idea of remaking Batman, Superman, Spiderman every few years. It becomes like Shakespeare or the opera: you don't go to see a new story, you already know it by heart. You go to see the performance and the innovation within the framework. You get to start asking questions like, "Who was the better Spiderman?".

VLM 10y ago
The big danger of becoming Shakespeare or the opera is you run a narrowcasting risk of turning something that 100% of the population was once familiar with into something less than 1% of the population will ever see. Financially that might not be long term sustainable. Spiderman remakes as the new Hamlet is interesting conceptually as a hard sci fi or alt hist topic. I don't think it would be realistically possible with one showing per year to 0.1% or less of the population dressed in black tie and gown. A similar yet totally different "innovation within the framework" might be traditional soap opera writing. However that begins to get close to regular TV series. Would it be possible to put on thirty years of daily Spiderman daytime drama?
- saalweachter 10y ago
  I don't mean "on the stage" so much as the way Shakespeare -- and other public domain works, like Sherlock Holmes, Frankenstein, or Dracula -- forms the nucleus of new works of art. Every few years a new director or actor will put their spin on Sherlock Holmes -- two movies starring Robert Downey Jr, one staring Ian McKellan, and two on-going TV series. Romeo and Juliet is the basis for like a hundred movies, sometimes with tragic endings and sometimes with happy ones. Retelling well-known stories with slight variations or twists is something humans have been doing for millennia.

api 10y ago

I actually think it's this rather than technology that is killing Hollywood. They've overfit to the teenager demographic and have stopped producing films of any substance. It's now just a factory churning out film versions of comic books.

ghaff 10y ago
Eh. This sounds an awful lot like there's no good music/books/films/TV any longer which various people have been saying pretty much forever. There is a lot of crap out there, but Sturgeon's Law... Personally I don't have any trouble finding sufficient quality films to fill my (fairly limited) time for watching movies.
- npsimons 10y ago
  > This sounds an awful lot like there's no good music/books/films/TV any longer which various people have been saying pretty much forever. No. People in the know have noticed the decline in originality in Hollywood, and predicted it would get worse, and they were right: http://www.gq.com/story/the-day-the-movies-died-mark-harris http://www.gq.com/story/the-day-the-movies-died-mark-harris Don't get me wrong, the plethora of film available now is astonishing and nice, but you really have to dig for the gems, especially as it seems they are not advertised. It doesn't help if, like me, you browse TVTropes and watch "Honest Trailers", "How it Should have Ended" and "Everything Wrong With" on Youtube. You start to realize how truly bad and cliche the vast majority of movies are.
  - bmm6o 10y ago
    It also seems like the Thoughtful Adult Movies get squeezed into December after 11 months of schlock. I don't get to the theaters much, but I went more in the past two months than the previous 10. And it's so depressing when you go to see Best Picture Nominee and the trailers are all for Robot Wars 6 and Shyamalan's freshest turd - it's just a reminder that you won't be back for a year.
    - 10y ago

frik 10y ago

Exactly this mass of comic super hero movies is so boring. And reboot after reboot with broken confusing story-line, with the reboot worse than the original. No wonder when idiots like the woman who was in charge at Sony Movie Pictures run such companies. The Steve Jobs move bombed big time. Instead of another superb movie in the style of Social Network we got the most boring movie ever. Please focus on movies instead of hundreds of TV series - no one has time to watch that many series anyway - or do you want to create many niches with little viewers that ay little (Netflix, etc). How about full productions (not outsourced to Canada or Australia) without overusing CGI and spend some money on good scripts. Oh, and we don't need drama and slow spacing all the time. We need more humour and action, and often less story is better. Look at Kevin alone at home 1+2, Indiana Jones 1+3, Die Hard 1+2, Airforce One, the first two Tom Clancy movies, etc. fast pacing with slow elements, a short but good story, no fuss, very good music.