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Not just permanent residents, it also affects legal visa holders as far as I can tell.

by pavanky 10y ago

uiri 10y ago
A visa does not guarantee entry into the country. It is a permit to travel to and to enter the United States. The citizens of certain countries - such as Canada - do not need to obtain a visa in order to enter the US. The Visa Waiver Program waives the visa application process for tourists and short term business visitors from a separate list of countries. Regardless of whether or not a visa is needed, the border guard has final say on whether or not a foreign citizen is allowed to enter the country.
- seanmcdirmid 10y ago
  Yes, but it is highly implied that citizens and permanent residents will get through without trouble.
  - mynameisvlad 10y ago
    There is no such implication for green card holders. In fact, DHS has said the exact opposite: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/28/airports-us-immigration-ban-muslim-countries-trump https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/28/airports-us-... Citizens have freedom of entry into the country, there is no way they could be barred.
    - seanmcdirmid 10y ago
      They can be barred as dual citizens. Green card holders are not exempt from the order as per advice from the whitehouse itself. The DHS initially thought they would be exempt, but were later corrected by Trump.
      - uiri 10y ago
        A US citizen cannot be barred from entering the US. That is one of the key rights of citizenship. A US citizen is also required to present their US passport when entering the US - even if they are a dual citizen and hold another passport. The whole thing about dual citizens refers to citizens of the banned countries who also hold citizenship of a third country - i.e. one that is not the US and one that is not banned. e.g. an Iraqi-Canadian who presents a Canadian passport is still barred from the US by Trump's order.
- alphonsegaston 10y ago
  Nah, laws and their constitutionality as determined by our judiciary have the final say. ICE disobeying them, even at the behest of the president, is a constitutional crisis.
  - uiri 10y ago
    I'm talking about visas specifically, not green cards. It is impractical for a foreign citizen living overseas without ties to the US to sue the US government for wrongfully denying them entry to the country even though they had a visa. It would be simpler and cheaper for an individual with the means to pull this off to simply apply for an investment-based green card[0] or to get a Maltese passport.[1] Malta is on the list of Visa Waiver Program countries. [0] https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/green-card-through-job/green-card-through-investment https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/green-card-through-job/gree... [1] https://www.ccmalta.com/publications/malta-citizenship-investment https://www.ccmalta.com/publications/malta-citizenship-inves...

Not just permanent residents, it also affects legal visa holders as far as I can tell.

by pavanky 10y ago

Not just permanent residents, it also affects legal visa holders as far as I can tell.

uiri 10y ago

A visa does not guarantee entry into the country. It is a permit to travel to and to enter the United States. The citizens of certain countries - such as Canada - do not need to obtain a visa in order to enter the US. The Visa Waiver Program waives the visa application process for tourists and short term business visitors from a separate list of countries. Regardless of whether or not a visa is needed, the border guard has final say on whether or not a foreign citizen is allowed to enter the country.

seanmcdirmid 10y ago
Yes, but it is highly implied that citizens and permanent residents will get through without trouble.
- mynameisvlad 10y ago
  There is no such implication for green card holders. In fact, DHS has said the exact opposite: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/28/airports-us-immigration-ban-muslim-countries-trump https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/28/airports-us-... Citizens have freedom of entry into the country, there is no way they could be barred.
  - seanmcdirmid 10y ago
    They can be barred as dual citizens. Green card holders are not exempt from the order as per advice from the whitehouse itself. The DHS initially thought they would be exempt, but were later corrected by Trump.
    - uiri 10y ago
      A US citizen cannot be barred from entering the US. That is one of the key rights of citizenship. A US citizen is also required to present their US passport when entering the US - even if they are a dual citizen and hold another passport. The whole thing about dual citizens refers to citizens of the banned countries who also hold citizenship of a third country - i.e. one that is not the US and one that is not banned. e.g. an Iraqi-Canadian who presents a Canadian passport is still barred from the US by Trump's order.
alphonsegaston 10y ago
Nah, laws and their constitutionality as determined by our judiciary have the final say. ICE disobeying them, even at the behest of the president, is a constitutional crisis.
- uiri 10y ago
  I'm talking about visas specifically, not green cards. It is impractical for a foreign citizen living overseas without ties to the US to sue the US government for wrongfully denying them entry to the country even though they had a visa. It would be simpler and cheaper for an individual with the means to pull this off to simply apply for an investment-based green card[0] or to get a Maltese passport.[1] Malta is on the list of Visa Waiver Program countries. [0] https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/green-card-through-job/green-card-through-investment https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/green-card-through-job/gree... [1] https://www.ccmalta.com/publications/malta-citizenship-investment https://www.ccmalta.com/publications/malta-citizenship-inves...