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In case you weren't paying attention, the main reason for this round of protests is that Trump's executive order is causing legal permanent residents to be deta

In case you weren't paying attention, the main reason for this round of protests is that Trump's executive order is causing legal permanent residents to be detained in US airports and/or deported from the country.

pavanky 10y ago
Not just permanent residents, it also affects legal visa holders as far as I can tell.
- uiri 10y ago
  A visa does not guarantee entry into the country. It is a permit to travel to and to enter the United States. The citizens of certain countries - such as Canada - do not need to obtain a visa in order to enter the US. The Visa Waiver Program waives the visa application process for tourists and short term business visitors from a separate list of countries. Regardless of whether or not a visa is needed, the border guard has final say on whether or not a foreign citizen is allowed to enter the country.
  - seanmcdirmid 10y ago
    Yes, but it is highly implied that citizens and permanent residents will get through without trouble.
    - mynameisvlad 10y ago
      There is no such implication for green card holders. In fact, DHS has said the exact opposite: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/28/airports-us-immigration-ban-muslim-countries-trump https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/28/airports-us-... Citizens have freedom of entry into the country, there is no way they could be barred.
      - seanmcdirmid 10y ago
        They can be barred as dual citizens. Green card holders are not exempt from the order as per advice from the whitehouse itself. The DHS initially thought they would be exempt, but were later corrected by Trump.
        uiri 10y ago
        A US citizen cannot be barred from entering the US. That is one of the key rights of citizenship. A US citizen is also required to present their US passport when entering the US - even if they are a dual citizen and hold another passport. The whole thing about dual citizens refers to citizens of the banned countries who also hold citizenship of a third country - i.e. one that is not the US and one that is not banned. e.g. an Iraqi-Canadian who presents a Canadian passport is still barred from the US by Trump's order.
  - alphonsegaston 10y ago
    Nah, laws and their constitutionality as determined by our judiciary have the final say. ICE disobeying them, even at the behest of the president, is a constitutional crisis.
    - uiri 10y ago
      I'm talking about visas specifically, not green cards. It is impractical for a foreign citizen living overseas without ties to the US to sue the US government for wrongfully denying them entry to the country even though they had a visa. It would be simpler and cheaper for an individual with the means to pull this off to simply apply for an investment-based green card[0] or to get a Maltese passport.[1] Malta is on the list of Visa Waiver Program countries. [0] https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/green-card-through-job/green-card-through-investment https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/green-card-through-job/gree... [1] https://www.ccmalta.com/publications/malta-citizenship-investment https://www.ccmalta.com/publications/malta-citizenship-inves...
gagmaker 10y ago
really? that's bad. but it can be fixed. and if you weren't paying attention, sanctuary cities let go into public thousands criminal offenders...
- sxcurry 10y ago
  Did you hear that lie on Fox or make it up yourself?
- facetube 10y ago
  Citation needed. So-called "sanctuary cities" are merely complying with the standard of law.
  - gagmaker 10y ago
    here you go, even fro liberal media: http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/03/us/san-francisco-killing-suspect-immigrant-deported/ http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/03/us/san-francisco-killing-suspe... > So-called "sanctuary cities" are merely complying with the standard of law. Bingo! Do you like the law that let criminal offender to go free? I certainly don't. And by the way I am a legal immigrant.
    - lern_too_spel 10y ago
      You're about 1,999 short of "thousands."
- geofft 10y ago
  Can you please stop saying "if you weren't paying attention" when you were the only person in this thread not paying attention? Us leftists are willing to work with Trump voters and bridge the divide that wounds this nation. We're willing to listen to concerns about your jobs and communities that we clearly failed to listen to in this election cycle. But you have to be willing to say "I was wrong about Trump, I wasn't paying attention."
oldfartspeaks 10y ago
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title8/html/USCODE-2011-title8-chap12-subchapII-partII-sec1182.htm https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title8/html/USCODE... 8 U.S.C. 1182 - INADMISSIBLE ALIENS (f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
- facetube 10y ago
  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/opinion/trumps-immigration-ban-is-illegal.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/opinion/trumps-immigratio...
- fapjacks 10y ago
  Right, and herein lies perhaps the best thing to come out of a Trump presidency: People obviously aren't prepared to discover exactly how much power has been slowly conglomerated and consolidated into the office of President. This stuff didn't just suddenly happen with Trump. He's just using the laws this country gave him. And perhaps there is a contradictory law somewhere on the books from fifty years ago. That doesn't mean much, because the kid going to MIT can't return to school after visiting family right now. The law might get sorted out by the courts later, but right now? Maybe after this, there won't be as much apathy about what's made law in the United States.

pavanky 10y ago

Not just permanent residents, it also affects legal visa holders as far as I can tell.

uiri 10y ago
A visa does not guarantee entry into the country. It is a permit to travel to and to enter the United States. The citizens of certain countries - such as Canada - do not need to obtain a visa in order to enter the US. The Visa Waiver Program waives the visa application process for tourists and short term business visitors from a separate list of countries. Regardless of whether or not a visa is needed, the border guard has final say on whether or not a foreign citizen is allowed to enter the country.
- seanmcdirmid 10y ago
  Yes, but it is highly implied that citizens and permanent residents will get through without trouble.
  - mynameisvlad 10y ago
    There is no such implication for green card holders. In fact, DHS has said the exact opposite: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/28/airports-us-immigration-ban-muslim-countries-trump https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/28/airports-us-... Citizens have freedom of entry into the country, there is no way they could be barred.
    - seanmcdirmid 10y ago
      They can be barred as dual citizens. Green card holders are not exempt from the order as per advice from the whitehouse itself. The DHS initially thought they would be exempt, but were later corrected by Trump.
      - uiri 10y ago
        A US citizen cannot be barred from entering the US. That is one of the key rights of citizenship. A US citizen is also required to present their US passport when entering the US - even if they are a dual citizen and hold another passport. The whole thing about dual citizens refers to citizens of the banned countries who also hold citizenship of a third country - i.e. one that is not the US and one that is not banned. e.g. an Iraqi-Canadian who presents a Canadian passport is still barred from the US by Trump's order.
- alphonsegaston 10y ago
  Nah, laws and their constitutionality as determined by our judiciary have the final say. ICE disobeying them, even at the behest of the president, is a constitutional crisis.
  - uiri 10y ago
    I'm talking about visas specifically, not green cards. It is impractical for a foreign citizen living overseas without ties to the US to sue the US government for wrongfully denying them entry to the country even though they had a visa. It would be simpler and cheaper for an individual with the means to pull this off to simply apply for an investment-based green card[0] or to get a Maltese passport.[1] Malta is on the list of Visa Waiver Program countries. [0] https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/green-card-through-job/green-card-through-investment https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/green-card-through-job/gree... [1] https://www.ccmalta.com/publications/malta-citizenship-investment https://www.ccmalta.com/publications/malta-citizenship-inves...

gagmaker 10y ago

really? that's bad. but it can be fixed. and if you weren't paying attention, sanctuary cities let go into public thousands criminal offenders...

sxcurry 10y ago
Did you hear that lie on Fox or make it up yourself?
facetube 10y ago
Citation needed. So-called "sanctuary cities" are merely complying with the standard of law.
- gagmaker 10y ago
  here you go, even fro liberal media: http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/03/us/san-francisco-killing-suspect-immigrant-deported/ http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/03/us/san-francisco-killing-suspe... > So-called "sanctuary cities" are merely complying with the standard of law. Bingo! Do you like the law that let criminal offender to go free? I certainly don't. And by the way I am a legal immigrant.
  - lern_too_spel 10y ago
    You're about 1,999 short of "thousands."
geofft 10y ago
Can you please stop saying "if you weren't paying attention" when you were the only person in this thread not paying attention? Us leftists are willing to work with Trump voters and bridge the divide that wounds this nation. We're willing to listen to concerns about your jobs and communities that we clearly failed to listen to in this election cycle. But you have to be willing to say "I was wrong about Trump, I wasn't paying attention."

oldfartspeaks 10y ago

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title8/html/USCODE-2011-title8-chap12-subchapII-partII-sec1182.htm https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title8/html/USCODE... 8 U.S.C. 1182 - INADMISSIBLE ALIENS (f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

facetube 10y ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/opinion/trumps-immigration-ban-is-illegal.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/opinion/trumps-immigratio...
fapjacks 10y ago
Right, and herein lies perhaps the best thing to come out of a Trump presidency: People obviously aren't prepared to discover exactly how much power has been slowly conglomerated and consolidated into the office of President. This stuff didn't just suddenly happen with Trump. He's just using the laws this country gave him. And perhaps there is a contradictory law somewhere on the books from fifty years ago. That doesn't mean much, because the kid going to MIT can't return to school after visiting family right now. The law might get sorted out by the courts later, but right now? Maybe after this, there won't be as much apathy about what's made law in the United States.