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Is the local.at a reliable source ? Seems like the only article talking about the incident in german is from the german version of Russia Today [0]. It doesn't

by tangue 10y ago

Is the local.at a reliable source ? Seems like the only article talking about the incident in german is from the german version of Russia Today [0]. It doesn't make sense that an austrian hotel choose this media to communicate. For me it's : A - It's the hacker that contacted RT with the story B - It's part of a fearmongering campaign to ransom hotels C - It's fake news written by an intern [0] https://www.google.at/search?hl=de&gl=at&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=Romantik+Seehotel+Jaegerwirt&oq=Romantik+Seehotel+Jaegerwirt&gs_l=news-cc.12...41859.41859.0.42699.1.1.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1ac.2.#q=Romantik+Seehotel+Jaegerwirt&hl=de&gl=at&authuser=0&tbm=nws&tbs=sbd:1 https://www.google.at/search?hl=de&gl=at&tbm=nws&authuser=0&...

johansch 10y ago
Here's a week-old story from the national broadcaster ORF: http://kaernten.orf.at/news/stories/2821290/ http://kaernten.orf.at/news/stories/2821290/ Regarding the "locked in" issue; this article doesn't say anything like that: "Die Gäste kamen nicht mehr in die Hotelzimmer, neue Schlüssel konnten nicht mehr programmiert werden." "The guests could no longer enter their hotel rooms, new keys could no longer be programmed."
- hodgesrm 10y ago
  The German in the article is fairly ambiguous. Interestingly it could even be interpreted as simply that arriving hotel guests could not get into their rooms because new keys could not be programmed. In that case guest who already had keys would be fine. The bigger problem seems to have been that all their IT systems including reservations were down.
  - throwawayish 10y ago
    I don't think it's ambiguous. In any case, it cannot be read as "people are locked into their hotel rooms". (Which doesn't work with any electronic hotel door lock I've seen so far anyway)
- gozur88 10y ago
  I was wondering about that. In the US a system that could prevent guests from leaving during a fire or medical emergency would never be allowed, and I can't imagine Germany is much different.
  - wolfgke 10y ago
    This is Austria, not Germany. Better don't confuse these two countries if you are in one of them. :-) Though the laws are surely quite similar.
  - e12e 10y ago
    In general you'd also want the possibility of gaining entrance quickly, even if the latter might require use of a fire axe or something (typically emergency keys, though). Both for evacuation in case of fire (a guest might be unconscious in a room) or in the case of a medical emergency (a guest might call down and complain about chest pain, and pass out before opening the door).
- saalweachter 10y ago
  Piling on to the misreported news, are the door locks themselves actually network devices? I was under the impression that the door locks were static devices and the key cards were reprogrammed to say "let me into this room". Can a malicious agent actually prevent previously working key cards from working (during the guest's stay - I know there is a time limit encoded on the key cards) or just prevent new cards from being programmed?
  - niklasrde 10y ago
    I don't think this can be the case - what if you lose a key card/have it taken from you: In order to deactivate it you'd need to somehow tell the lock that that card is not valid anymore. I have had that happen to me, and at least in that instance nobody had to come and reprogram the lock.
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Quequau 10y ago
NO. "thelocal.at" is not a reliable source. Moreover, the same folks run a bunch of identical "thelocal" sites with a vareity of country specific TLDs and they're all over the top, agenda pushing, clickbait.
- 1337biz 10y ago
  Agenda pushing? They seem to be mostly about translating local news stories that otherwise would have never made it to a larger audience.
mitchell_h 10y ago
It fits the "trust me I'm lying" criteria for a planted story.
tom_mellior 10y ago
Better source: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/ransomware-infects-electronic-door-locking-system-at-austrian-hotel/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/ransomware-in... "We were hacked, but nobody was locked in or out," the hotel's Managing Director Christopher Brandstaetter told Bleeping Computer. "For one day we were not able to make new keycards."

by tangue 10y ago

johansch 10y ago

Here's a week-old story from the national broadcaster ORF: http://kaernten.orf.at/news/stories/2821290/ http://kaernten.orf.at/news/stories/2821290/ Regarding the "locked in" issue; this article doesn't say anything like that: "Die Gäste kamen nicht mehr in die Hotelzimmer, neue Schlüssel konnten nicht mehr programmiert werden." "The guests could no longer enter their hotel rooms, new keys could no longer be programmed."

hodgesrm 10y ago
The German in the article is fairly ambiguous. Interestingly it could even be interpreted as simply that arriving hotel guests could not get into their rooms because new keys could not be programmed. In that case guest who already had keys would be fine. The bigger problem seems to have been that all their IT systems including reservations were down.
- throwawayish 10y ago
  I don't think it's ambiguous. In any case, it cannot be read as "people are locked into their hotel rooms". (Which doesn't work with any electronic hotel door lock I've seen so far anyway)
gozur88 10y ago
I was wondering about that. In the US a system that could prevent guests from leaving during a fire or medical emergency would never be allowed, and I can't imagine Germany is much different.
- wolfgke 10y ago
  This is Austria, not Germany. Better don't confuse these two countries if you are in one of them. :-) Though the laws are surely quite similar.
- e12e 10y ago
  In general you'd also want the possibility of gaining entrance quickly, even if the latter might require use of a fire axe or something (typically emergency keys, though). Both for evacuation in case of fire (a guest might be unconscious in a room) or in the case of a medical emergency (a guest might call down and complain about chest pain, and pass out before opening the door).
saalweachter 10y ago
Piling on to the misreported news, are the door locks themselves actually network devices? I was under the impression that the door locks were static devices and the key cards were reprogrammed to say "let me into this room". Can a malicious agent actually prevent previously working key cards from working (during the guest's stay - I know there is a time limit encoded on the key cards) or just prevent new cards from being programmed?
- niklasrde 10y ago
  I don't think this can be the case - what if you lose a key card/have it taken from you: In order to deactivate it you'd need to somehow tell the lock that that card is not valid anymore. I have had that happen to me, and at least in that instance nobody had to come and reprogram the lock.

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Quequau 10y ago

NO. "thelocal.at" is not a reliable source. Moreover, the same folks run a bunch of identical "thelocal" sites with a vareity of country specific TLDs and they're all over the top, agenda pushing, clickbait.

1337biz 10y ago
Agenda pushing? They seem to be mostly about translating local news stories that otherwise would have never made it to a larger audience.

mitchell_h 10y ago

It fits the "trust me I'm lying" criteria for a planted story.

tom_mellior 10y ago

Better source: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/ransomware-infects-electronic-door-locking-system-at-austrian-hotel/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/ransomware-in... "We were hacked, but nobody was locked in or out," the hotel's Managing Director Christopher Brandstaetter told Bleeping Computer. "For one day we were not able to make new keycards."