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Exaclty. Two of his biggest campaign promises were to build a wall to keep out Mexicans and to ban Muslims immigrants and refugees. The wall was one of his ear

Exaclty. Two of his biggest campaign promises were to build a wall to keep out Mexicans and to ban Muslims immigrants and refugees. The wall was one of his earliest campaign promises. I find it amazing that we're supposed to believe that the majority of Trump voters don't support at least one of these.

TuringNYC 10y ago
Note, this is far broader than the refugee ban initially discussed. The ban truly is a Muslim ban. See quote from Reuters -- it bans permanent residents (i.e. greencard holders.) Note that permanent residents have to pay taxes even if living overseas! "It will bar green card holders," Gillian Christensen, acting Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman, said in an email. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-greencard-idUSKBN15C0KX http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-gree...
- raverbashing 10y ago
  Too bad it doesn't ban individuals from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan (because if it was about islamism, it should) Also, banning permanent residents is just ludicrous
- finid 10y ago
  Muslims, then GC holders. Very soon, certain group of citizens will suffer the same fate. The prison walls are getting closer... By the time you're able to reach out and touch them, it'd be too late.
  - qazwsxedchac 10y ago
    Quite. Historically, countries which build walls don't do so to keep people out, but to keep them in.
  - TuringNYC 10y ago
    Well, that didnt take long. The definition is about to get broader, per WSJ: In a statement that the State Department is due to release, which was reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, the 90-day visa moratorium extends beyond just citizens of Iraq, Iran, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Libya, and Yemen. It also applies to people who originally hail from those countries but are traveling on a passport issued by any other nation, the statement notes. That means Iraqis seeking to enter the U.S. on a British passport, for instance, would be barred, according to a U.S. official...." http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-visa-ban-also-applies-to-citizens-with-dual-nationality-state-department-says-1485628654?mod=e2fb http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-visa-ban-also-applies-to-c...
    - finid 10y ago
      Here's a non-paywall-ed version. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-visa-ban-also-applies-to-citizens-with-dual-nationality-state-department-2017-01-28 http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-visa-ban-also-applies... Those nationals or dual nationals holding valid immigrant or nonimmigrant visas will not be permitted to enter the United States during this period. Visa interviews will generally not be scheduled for nationals of these countries during this period.
    - finid 10y ago
      That is very, very broad.
    - deleted 10y ago
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    - mcguire 10y ago
      Huh. My next door neighbor is an American citizen, born in Iran. He left before the Shah was deposed. He owns a successful local company. Sounds like this would apply to him. No wonder I haven't heard from them in a few months.
      - SamReidHughes 10y ago
        He's an American citizen so he can't be denied entry.
- stale2002 10y ago
  It is a ban on people coming from certain countries. Religion isn't anyone in there.
  - TuringNYC 10y ago
    It is specifically for Muslims. Notice there is a special provision inviting Christian refugees from Syria (albeit a token quantity just for show.)
mschuster91 10y ago
> I find it amazing that we're supposed to believe that the majority of Trump voters don't support at least one of these. I'm taking a guess at this one, but many people believed this was just the usual pre-election bla bla and that he wouldn't follow through with such an unreasonable idea, given the obvious financial (wall) and legal (Muslim ban) challenges. They only wanted someone who promised to listen to them again after decades of globalization left them behind, and got a monster as result. What I'm really afraid of: given the horrendous stuff Trump has done in a week, what will he have done in the next 1450 days?
oh_sigh 10y ago
It bans some Muslim immigrants and refugees. I don't recall seeing anything about Indonesians being affected, or Indians, or Nigerians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, etc.

TuringNYC 10y ago

Note, this is far broader than the refugee ban initially discussed. The ban truly is a Muslim ban. See quote from Reuters -- it bans permanent residents (i.e. greencard holders.) Note that permanent residents have to pay taxes even if living overseas! "It will bar green card holders," Gillian Christensen, acting Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman, said in an email. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-greencard-idUSKBN15C0KX http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-gree...

raverbashing 10y ago
Too bad it doesn't ban individuals from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan (because if it was about islamism, it should) Also, banning permanent residents is just ludicrous
finid 10y ago
Muslims, then GC holders. Very soon, certain group of citizens will suffer the same fate. The prison walls are getting closer... By the time you're able to reach out and touch them, it'd be too late.
- qazwsxedchac 10y ago
  Quite. Historically, countries which build walls don't do so to keep people out, but to keep them in.
- TuringNYC 10y ago
  Well, that didnt take long. The definition is about to get broader, per WSJ: In a statement that the State Department is due to release, which was reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, the 90-day visa moratorium extends beyond just citizens of Iraq, Iran, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Libya, and Yemen. It also applies to people who originally hail from those countries but are traveling on a passport issued by any other nation, the statement notes. That means Iraqis seeking to enter the U.S. on a British passport, for instance, would be barred, according to a U.S. official...." http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-visa-ban-also-applies-to-citizens-with-dual-nationality-state-department-says-1485628654?mod=e2fb http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-visa-ban-also-applies-to-c...
  - finid 10y ago
    Here's a non-paywall-ed version. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-visa-ban-also-applies-to-citizens-with-dual-nationality-state-department-2017-01-28 http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-visa-ban-also-applies... Those nationals or dual nationals holding valid immigrant or nonimmigrant visas will not be permitted to enter the United States during this period. Visa interviews will generally not be scheduled for nationals of these countries during this period.
  - finid 10y ago
    That is very, very broad.
  - deleted 10y ago
    [deleted]
  - mcguire 10y ago
    Huh. My next door neighbor is an American citizen, born in Iran. He left before the Shah was deposed. He owns a successful local company. Sounds like this would apply to him. No wonder I haven't heard from them in a few months.
    - SamReidHughes 10y ago
      He's an American citizen so he can't be denied entry.
stale2002 10y ago
It is a ban on people coming from certain countries. Religion isn't anyone in there.
- TuringNYC 10y ago
  It is specifically for Muslims. Notice there is a special provision inviting Christian refugees from Syria (albeit a token quantity just for show.)

mschuster91 10y ago

> I find it amazing that we're supposed to believe that the majority of Trump voters don't support at least one of these. I'm taking a guess at this one, but many people believed this was just the usual pre-election bla bla and that he wouldn't follow through with such an unreasonable idea, given the obvious financial (wall) and legal (Muslim ban) challenges. They only wanted someone who promised to listen to them again after decades of globalization left them behind, and got a monster as result. What I'm really afraid of: given the horrendous stuff Trump has done in a week, what will he have done in the next 1450 days?

oh_sigh 10y ago

It bans some Muslim immigrants and refugees. I don't recall seeing anything about Indonesians being affected, or Indians, or Nigerians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, etc.