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Voices like yours were sorely missed over the last 8 years while the bombing was going on.

kasey_junk 10y ago
So? You are willing to make it worse now because we did something bad in the past? That's an insane position. You'll note this isn't a trade we aren't quitting the bombing by banning travelers.
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  It makes me incredibly distrustful of their motives in the future. If they supported Obamas actions because he was on "their team" then how do I know that any attacks on Trump are based in fact instead of more partisan motives?
  - kasey_junk 10y ago
    It can be trivially argued that Hillary lost because her base was so lukewarm to her & a big reason for that was because of her support for violent encounters. Instead of the result of that being we bomb less people it seems to be that we are going continue to bomb them and also enact amoral immigration policy. At this point it's not about partisan ship it's about morality for many of us. In one week we've gone full bore insane. I'll be first in line to support any republican that stands against or.
  - mjmsmith 10y ago
    You pay more attention to the facts than the motives.
    - cmdrfred 10y ago
      That is what I do. And in that regard both parties have a great deal of blood on their hands.
      - mjmsmith 10y ago
        So do the facts make you in favor of this order or not?
        cmdrfred 10y ago
        Not at all. I'm not afraid of terrorism, as far as I can tell it's mostly used as a reason to keep weapons manufacturers employed and a surveillance/police state chugging along smoothly. The actual odds of dying in a terrorist attack are lower than winning the lottery. I actually used to consider myself on to lean to the democratic side. At least during the Bush years when they appeared to be anti-war party. Just lately, everything has been so sanctimonious and hypocritical from them that I'm no longer able to vote for them.
  - somebehemoth 10y ago
    Republicans and Democrats supported bombings. You've made a false dichotomy to suit your own bias.
jbooth 10y ago
You mean while the bombing was reduced to almost nothing from 2 hot wars?
shadowfiend 10y ago
Were they? I'll just point to one liberal-leaning reputable news source and ask for your evidence that Democrats, and liberals in general, have been big fans of Obama's drone strikes: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/the-obama-administrations-drone-strike-dissembling/473541/ http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/the-obam... https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/president-obamas-weak-defense-of-his-record-on-drone-strikes/511454/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/preside... https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/08/obama-drone-morality/496433/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/08/ob... http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/09/the-killing-machines-how-to-think-about-drones/309434/ http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/09/the-kill... http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/09/drone-war-yemen-al-qaeda/407599/ http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/09/dro... http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/04/warren-weinstein-drones/391655/ http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/04/war... Perhaps you mean something other than the drone strikes? Libya? http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/obamas-worst-mistake-libya/478461/ http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/oba... http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/how-obama-ignored-congress-and-misled-america-on-war-in-libya/262299/ http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/how-obam... Or did you have some other specific situation in mind that some mythical liberals have been silent about instead of emphatically critical of?

So? You are willing to make it worse now because we did something bad in the past? That's an insane position. You'll note this isn't a trade we aren't quitting the bombing by banning travelers.

cmdrfred 10y ago
It makes me incredibly distrustful of their motives in the future. If they supported Obamas actions because he was on "their team" then how do I know that any attacks on Trump are based in fact instead of more partisan motives?
- kasey_junk 10y ago
  It can be trivially argued that Hillary lost because her base was so lukewarm to her & a big reason for that was because of her support for violent encounters. Instead of the result of that being we bomb less people it seems to be that we are going continue to bomb them and also enact amoral immigration policy. At this point it's not about partisan ship it's about morality for many of us. In one week we've gone full bore insane. I'll be first in line to support any republican that stands against or.
- mjmsmith 10y ago
  You pay more attention to the facts than the motives.
  - cmdrfred 10y ago
    That is what I do. And in that regard both parties have a great deal of blood on their hands.
    - mjmsmith 10y ago
      So do the facts make you in favor of this order or not?
      - cmdrfred 10y ago
        Not at all. I'm not afraid of terrorism, as far as I can tell it's mostly used as a reason to keep weapons manufacturers employed and a surveillance/police state chugging along smoothly. The actual odds of dying in a terrorist attack are lower than winning the lottery. I actually used to consider myself on to lean to the democratic side. At least during the Bush years when they appeared to be anti-war party. Just lately, everything has been so sanctimonious and hypocritical from them that I'm no longer able to vote for them.
- somebehemoth 10y ago
  Republicans and Democrats supported bombings. You've made a false dichotomy to suit your own bias.

jbooth 10y ago

You mean while the bombing was reduced to almost nothing from 2 hot wars?

shadowfiend 10y ago

Were they? I'll just point to one liberal-leaning reputable news source and ask for your evidence that Democrats, and liberals in general, have been big fans of Obama's drone strikes: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/the-obama-administrations-drone-strike-dissembling/473541/ http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/the-obam... https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/president-obamas-weak-defense-of-his-record-on-drone-strikes/511454/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/preside... https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/08/obama-drone-morality/496433/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/08/ob... http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/09/the-killing-machines-how-to-think-about-drones/309434/ http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/09/the-kill... http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/09/drone-war-yemen-al-qaeda/407599/ http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/09/dro... http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/04/warren-weinstein-drones/391655/ http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/04/war... Perhaps you mean something other than the drone strikes? Libya? http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/obamas-worst-mistake-libya/478461/ http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/oba... http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/how-obama-ignored-congress-and-misled-america-on-war-in-libya/262299/ http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/how-obam... Or did you have some other specific situation in mind that some mythical liberals have been silent about instead of emphatically critical of?