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The only relevant fact here is that millions more people voted against Trump than for him. The top reason people voted for Trump wasn't to support him or his p

by panic 10y ago

The only relevant fact here is that millions more people voted against Trump than for him. The top reason people voted for Trump wasn't to support him or his policies, it was that he wasn't Clinton (http://www.people-press.org/2016/09/21/in-their-own-words-why-voters-support-and-have-concerns-about-clinton-and-trump/ http://www.people-press.org/2016/09/21/in-their-own-words-wh...). His approval rating is below 50% (http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-app...). Trump doesn't represent the majority in any sense of the word.

adventured 10y ago
OP's premise was in part that only straight white males supported him. The fact is, the majority of white women supported him as well. So OP was wrong on a very, very big part of the premise being floated. Trump's approval is 57% http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_jan25 http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trum... The notion that it's useful to pretend Trump represents a tiny group of supporters, for personal emotional comfort over facts, isn't going to be useful in actually trying to counter bad policy. Step one is recognizing that Trump has a very large base that put him into the White House. That he only lost the popular vote by 2.8 million (2.x% of all votes) with California and New York included, is astounding and points to just how large his actual base is. Not to mention the fact that Hillary didn't manage to pull a majority of votes, versus eg Obama's 51.1% in 2012, Obama's 53% in 2008, and Bush's 50.7% in 2004.
- nl 10y ago
  Across multiple poll providers, his approval -7.2[1] (although this hasn't updated with the latest Rasmussen poll). Rasmussen is the only provider that has him in positive territory. Interestingly, Fox gives him the second worst result (only ABC/WashPost gives him worse) [1] http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorabl...
guildwriter 10y ago
That's a good way to sweep data like this under the rug: (Left percent is Clinton, Right percent is Trump) White men 31% 63% White women 43 53 White women college graduates 51 45 White women non-college graduates 34 62 White men college graduates 39 54 White men non-college graduates 23 72 (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-couldnt-win-over-white-women/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-couldnt-win-ove...) Like it or not, the fact of the matter is that claiming that only white men supported Trump is incorrect. Going further and trying to dodge the point by claiming that only numbers matter is reductionist and doesn't address the kaleidoscopic issues that a diverse socio-economic-regional population has.
- mmrezaie 10y ago
  Do you know any interview or documentary of talking to samples of these populations? I wonder very much what they think. The interviews so far for me personally were showing that they are "morally deaf", but I am sure that this is not all the story (I probably living in my bubble).
  - panic 10y ago
    This guy drove through the Southeast and talked to a bunch of Trump supporters: http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/08/02/listening-to-trump-voters/ http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/08/02/listening-to...
    - mmrezaie 10y ago
      Thanks, now I want to replace my bubble with a bulletproof west.
  - guildwriter 10y ago
    I can't suggest an interview or documentary, but if you want to keep tabs on how conservatives/republicans/midwesterners etc. think, I highly recommend reading this blog: https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/ https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/ Glenn Reynolds and his cadre of right leaning bloggers have a decent finger on the pulse of conservatives in general. I try to read from as many opinions as possible from different sides. You'd be surprised how different the world is from another's eyes.
belorn 10y ago
While the other sibling comments showed the voting data, it need to be added that the top reason people voted for either candidate was that their candidate weren't the other candidate. Two of the three slogans of the Clinton campaign reflected this with "I'm With Her (and not with him)" and "Love Trumps Hate". For approval ratings, the same goes. Both candidates had the worst approval rating of any candidate in US history. A rather clear message that neither of the two dominating political parties in the US represent the people.
mason240 10y ago
>he only relevant fact here is that millions more people voted against Trump than for him. No. We did not have a popular vote.

by panic 10y ago

adventured 10y ago

OP's premise was in part that only straight white males supported him. The fact is, the majority of white women supported him as well. So OP was wrong on a very, very big part of the premise being floated. Trump's approval is 57% http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_jan25 http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trum... The notion that it's useful to pretend Trump represents a tiny group of supporters, for personal emotional comfort over facts, isn't going to be useful in actually trying to counter bad policy. Step one is recognizing that Trump has a very large base that put him into the White House. That he only lost the popular vote by 2.8 million (2.x% of all votes) with California and New York included, is astounding and points to just how large his actual base is. Not to mention the fact that Hillary didn't manage to pull a majority of votes, versus eg Obama's 51.1% in 2012, Obama's 53% in 2008, and Bush's 50.7% in 2004.

nl 10y ago
Across multiple poll providers, his approval -7.2[1] (although this hasn't updated with the latest Rasmussen poll). Rasmussen is the only provider that has him in positive territory. Interestingly, Fox gives him the second worst result (only ABC/WashPost gives him worse) [1] http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorabl...

guildwriter 10y ago

That's a good way to sweep data like this under the rug: (Left percent is Clinton, Right percent is Trump) White men 31% 63% White women 43 53 White women college graduates 51 45 White women non-college graduates 34 62 White men college graduates 39 54 White men non-college graduates 23 72 (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-couldnt-win-over-white-women/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-couldnt-win-ove...) Like it or not, the fact of the matter is that claiming that only white men supported Trump is incorrect. Going further and trying to dodge the point by claiming that only numbers matter is reductionist and doesn't address the kaleidoscopic issues that a diverse socio-economic-regional population has.

mmrezaie 10y ago
Do you know any interview or documentary of talking to samples of these populations? I wonder very much what they think. The interviews so far for me personally were showing that they are "morally deaf", but I am sure that this is not all the story (I probably living in my bubble).
- panic 10y ago
  This guy drove through the Southeast and talked to a bunch of Trump supporters: http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/08/02/listening-to-trump-voters/ http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/08/02/listening-to...
  - mmrezaie 10y ago
    Thanks, now I want to replace my bubble with a bulletproof west.
- guildwriter 10y ago
  I can't suggest an interview or documentary, but if you want to keep tabs on how conservatives/republicans/midwesterners etc. think, I highly recommend reading this blog: https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/ https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/ Glenn Reynolds and his cadre of right leaning bloggers have a decent finger on the pulse of conservatives in general. I try to read from as many opinions as possible from different sides. You'd be surprised how different the world is from another's eyes.

belorn 10y ago

While the other sibling comments showed the voting data, it need to be added that the top reason people voted for either candidate was that their candidate weren't the other candidate. Two of the three slogans of the Clinton campaign reflected this with "I'm With Her (and not with him)" and "Love Trumps Hate". For approval ratings, the same goes. Both candidates had the worst approval rating of any candidate in US history. A rather clear message that neither of the two dominating political parties in the US represent the people.

mason240 10y ago

>he only relevant fact here is that millions more people voted against Trump than for him. No. We did not have a popular vote.