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It's amazing that some nations are deemed terrorist by American government, which itself is responsible for the deaths of most innocent civilians over the last

by dmode 10y ago

It's amazing that some nations are deemed terrorist by American government, which itself is responsible for the deaths of most innocent civilians over the last century. Starting with dropping the atomic bomb in Hiroshima, funding Mujhadeen on Afghanistan, installing Shah in Iran, toppling Saddam Hussein, Indirectly funding terrorism in Kashmir, and all the mess in South America. What's the best guess ? 10 million innocent civilians killed ?

guildwriter 10y ago
Still not as many as Russia did during the same time period. Stalin alone blows that total right out of the water. Mao and the Khmer Rouge are right behind him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_... None of this takes away from the morally questionable actions of the US. But saying the US is responsible for the most innocent civilian casualties in the last half century is not true.
- junto 10y ago
  I'm not sure we should make it a competition!
adventured 10y ago
> American government, which itself is responsible for the deaths of most innocent civilians over the last century Oh geez. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, Mussolini, Kim Il-sung, Kim Jong-il, broadly the Empire of Japan, among others would like a word with you. > Starting with dropping the atomic bomb in Hiroshima An entirely appropriate act to stop a rampaging war machine that had slaughtered millions in a war of conquest in east Asia, and joined with the Axis powers in declaring war on the United States etc. Dramatically more Japanese would have died, had the US simply invaded instead of using nuclear weapons. More importantly, far more Americans would have died in the process of trying to stop the aggressor: Japan. > toppling Saddam Hussein The US lost thousands of soldiers, and a trillion dollars, trying to keep the Iraqis from killing each other in a civil war after making the mistake of removing Saddam. You're obviously being intentionally disingenuous about what actually happened: the Iraqi factions declared war on each other, the extreme majority of all civilian deaths were Iraqis killing each other. > funding Mujhadeen on Afghanistan Something that didn't kill nearly as many civilians as the vast Soviet genocide / invasion it was meant to interrupt.
MichaelGG 10y ago
>atomic bomb Firebombing was far worse. Dresden alone was about equivalent or worse than a-bombs, right? And Japan had been firebombed pretty heavily as well.

by dmode 10y ago

guildwriter 10y ago

Still not as many as Russia did during the same time period. Stalin alone blows that total right out of the water. Mao and the Khmer Rouge are right behind him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_... None of this takes away from the morally questionable actions of the US. But saying the US is responsible for the most innocent civilian casualties in the last half century is not true.

junto 10y ago
I'm not sure we should make it a competition!

adventured 10y ago

> American government, which itself is responsible for the deaths of most innocent civilians over the last century Oh geez. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, Mussolini, Kim Il-sung, Kim Jong-il, broadly the Empire of Japan, among others would like a word with you. > Starting with dropping the atomic bomb in Hiroshima An entirely appropriate act to stop a rampaging war machine that had slaughtered millions in a war of conquest in east Asia, and joined with the Axis powers in declaring war on the United States etc. Dramatically more Japanese would have died, had the US simply invaded instead of using nuclear weapons. More importantly, far more Americans would have died in the process of trying to stop the aggressor: Japan. > toppling Saddam Hussein The US lost thousands of soldiers, and a trillion dollars, trying to keep the Iraqis from killing each other in a civil war after making the mistake of removing Saddam. You're obviously being intentionally disingenuous about what actually happened: the Iraqi factions declared war on each other, the extreme majority of all civilian deaths were Iraqis killing each other. > funding Mujhadeen on Afghanistan Something that didn't kill nearly as many civilians as the vast Soviet genocide / invasion it was meant to interrupt.

MichaelGG 10y ago

>atomic bomb Firebombing was far worse. Dresden alone was about equivalent or worse than a-bombs, right? And Japan had been firebombed pretty heavily as well.