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So much for "hard work was affecting my health".

seanmcdirmid 10y ago
More like Beijing air pollution was affecting his health. That was my reason as well, moving from Microsoft in Beijing to YC Research in LA.
- B1FF_PSUVM 10y ago
  That's amusing in that the LA basin had an infamous "smog cap" for a good stretch of the XX century. Helped a lot getting those seminal strict emission laws in California, I believe.
  - seanmcdirmid 10y ago
    Yep. LA in the 70s and early 80s was pretty bad. The irony that I'm escaping to here for the clean air! It is really good now, and china can really turn a corner in the future if they work hard enough at their pollution problem. Unfortunately, I just can't wait for that.
- raverbashing 10y ago
  And Chinese idiosyncrasies, and Chinese food, and the emotional stress of being far from family and friends (I'm not saying the pollution is not a factor, but it's probably not the main one)
  - seanmcdirmid 10y ago
    None of those were deal breakers for me personally. It really came down to the air coupled with a pregnant wife and soon to be newborn who didn't need to suffer through that.
  - bostand 10y ago
    What's wrong with Chinese food?
    - hueving 10y ago
      It's not the food he grew up with? Most immigrants want the food they are used to from home when it comes to day-to-day eating/dining.
      - seanmcdirmid 10y ago
        Not many foreigners have problems with Chinese food (the opposite isn't true, Chinese don't like western food as much). Beijing also does well on western-style for when you want it. Cooking is more annoying, you have to be extra careful when grocery shopping due to food quality issues, but variety isn't much of a problem (well, no western style sausage).
    - raverbashing 10y ago
      It's different and people might not get accustomed to it Not necessarily bad, but different.
      - bostand 10y ago
        Actually, Barra was a big fan of Chinese food. Half of his social media posts were about his food adventures in China.
        Markoff 10y ago
        like you can post anything else in social networks in China workout repercussions there is reason why Chinese rappers rap about food
  - hueving 10y ago
    Not sure why you were downvoted so much. China can be very hard to integrate with moving from the US. I had several coworkers there for year-long projects and a couple of them were miserable the entire time because the culture was too different for them (smog didn't bother them because they were indoors with good air filtration).
  - dgacmu 10y ago
    As someone who faced a similar decision two years ago (whether to go to MSRA or Google in SV for my sabbatical), the air pollution was one of the top three factors. I'd love to spend a year in Beijing, and the food is a bonus. But we decided it wouldn't be appropriate or fun to have a 3 year old inhaling that for 365 days. This was from experience - we speak to a week when she was two, and she'd have a coughing spell every time we left the hotel. But yes - many stresses. Family, not speaking the language very well, etc. In the case of seanmcdirmid, though, he's fluent and seems to like the food. :-). (welcome back, btw)
mzarate06 10y ago
That's not what he said, though. Here's what he did say (his full post is here [1], if anyone's curious), which I think indicate culture, area, and distance from where he considers home as the factors affecting his health: But what I've realized is that the last few years of living in such a singular environment have taken a huge toll on my life and started affecting my health. My friends, what I consider to be my home, and my life are back in Silicon Valley, which is also much closer to my family. Seeing how much I've left behind these past few years, it is clear to me that the time has come to return. Specifics or misquotes aside, if you meant that the offer from Facebook was his primary reason for leaving, I can see that too, so won't disagree with the notion. [1] https://www.facebook.com/hbarra76/posts/10154010035641612 https://www.facebook.com/hbarra76/posts/10154010035641612
samfisher83 10y ago
Xiaomi wasn't doing so well maybe he was just looking to bail.
hobaak 10y ago
I don't believe that this was faked excuse. It is grueling to work in Chinese startup. In one of the articles about Xioami, he had a meeting in evening then flew out for a business meeting tomorrow morning, which means red-eye for him. This is not unheard in China. Work-life balance doesn't exist. US executives can't keep up with this demanding nature in Chinese work culture. But Hugo seems to leave in good terms. His hiring and Xiaomi's well-received exposure to other markets in China coincided so it benefited both, company and him.
- justinclift 10y ago
  Err, that kind of thing isn't unheard of in Western countries either. It's just a matter of "is the person motivated enough?", which is more an individual thing. :D

More like Beijing air pollution was affecting his health. That was my reason as well, moving from Microsoft in Beijing to YC Research in LA.

B1FF_PSUVM 10y ago
That's amusing in that the LA basin had an infamous "smog cap" for a good stretch of the XX century. Helped a lot getting those seminal strict emission laws in California, I believe.
- seanmcdirmid 10y ago
  Yep. LA in the 70s and early 80s was pretty bad. The irony that I'm escaping to here for the clean air! It is really good now, and china can really turn a corner in the future if they work hard enough at their pollution problem. Unfortunately, I just can't wait for that.
raverbashing 10y ago
And Chinese idiosyncrasies, and Chinese food, and the emotional stress of being far from family and friends (I'm not saying the pollution is not a factor, but it's probably not the main one)
- seanmcdirmid 10y ago
  None of those were deal breakers for me personally. It really came down to the air coupled with a pregnant wife and soon to be newborn who didn't need to suffer through that.
- bostand 10y ago
  What's wrong with Chinese food?
  - hueving 10y ago
    It's not the food he grew up with? Most immigrants want the food they are used to from home when it comes to day-to-day eating/dining.
    - seanmcdirmid 10y ago
      Not many foreigners have problems with Chinese food (the opposite isn't true, Chinese don't like western food as much). Beijing also does well on western-style for when you want it. Cooking is more annoying, you have to be extra careful when grocery shopping due to food quality issues, but variety isn't much of a problem (well, no western style sausage).
  - raverbashing 10y ago
    It's different and people might not get accustomed to it Not necessarily bad, but different.
    - bostand 10y ago
      Actually, Barra was a big fan of Chinese food. Half of his social media posts were about his food adventures in China.
      - Markoff 10y ago
        like you can post anything else in social networks in China workout repercussions there is reason why Chinese rappers rap about food
- hueving 10y ago
  Not sure why you were downvoted so much. China can be very hard to integrate with moving from the US. I had several coworkers there for year-long projects and a couple of them were miserable the entire time because the culture was too different for them (smog didn't bother them because they were indoors with good air filtration).
- dgacmu 10y ago
  As someone who faced a similar decision two years ago (whether to go to MSRA or Google in SV for my sabbatical), the air pollution was one of the top three factors. I'd love to spend a year in Beijing, and the food is a bonus. But we decided it wouldn't be appropriate or fun to have a 3 year old inhaling that for 365 days. This was from experience - we speak to a week when she was two, and she'd have a coughing spell every time we left the hotel. But yes - many stresses. Family, not speaking the language very well, etc. In the case of seanmcdirmid, though, he's fluent and seems to like the food. :-). (welcome back, btw)

mzarate06 10y ago

That's not what he said, though. Here's what he did say (his full post is here [1], if anyone's curious), which I think indicate culture, area, and distance from where he considers home as the factors affecting his health: But what I've realized is that the last few years of living in such a singular environment have taken a huge toll on my life and started affecting my health. My friends, what I consider to be my home, and my life are back in Silicon Valley, which is also much closer to my family. Seeing how much I've left behind these past few years, it is clear to me that the time has come to return. Specifics or misquotes aside, if you meant that the offer from Facebook was his primary reason for leaving, I can see that too, so won't disagree with the notion. [1] https://www.facebook.com/hbarra76/posts/10154010035641612 https://www.facebook.com/hbarra76/posts/10154010035641612

samfisher83 10y ago

Xiaomi wasn't doing so well maybe he was just looking to bail.

hobaak 10y ago

I don't believe that this was faked excuse. It is grueling to work in Chinese startup. In one of the articles about Xioami, he had a meeting in evening then flew out for a business meeting tomorrow morning, which means red-eye for him. This is not unheard in China. Work-life balance doesn't exist. US executives can't keep up with this demanding nature in Chinese work culture. But Hugo seems to leave in good terms. His hiring and Xiaomi's well-received exposure to other markets in China coincided so it benefited both, company and him.

justinclift 10y ago
Err, that kind of thing isn't unheard of in Western countries either. It's just a matter of "is the person motivated enough?", which is more an individual thing. :D