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This is why I leave HN for a few weeks every once in awhile. People in this thread shitting all over the guy, meanwhile back in their own lives, they still have

This is why I leave HN for a few weeks every once in awhile. People in this thread shitting all over the guy, meanwhile back in their own lives, they still have to argue with project managers over the "right" way to get code done. The crabs are reaching out of the bucket hard today.

pg_is_a_butt 10y ago
right... it's way better to argue with yourself over the "right" way to comment on HN. you're an ignorant hypocrite. you're all idiots.
justinlaster 10y ago
There has always been an attitude of cynicism that tries to masquerade as wisdom around these parts.
- whkr1 10y ago
  An absolute goldmine for http://reddit.com/r/iamverysmart/ http://reddit.com/r/iamverysmart/ material.
  - pikzen 10y ago
    There's a reason /r/ProgrammingCirclejerk is basically /r/HackerNews
    - Yhippa 10y ago
      That sub is kind of a heat check against the hype of pretty much everything these days.
      - pc86 10y ago
        They could change the name to /r/ShitHNSays
  - pb8226 10y ago
    Unfortunately good technical conversation and that often come together and I don't want to tune out a large part of my industry.
  - fs111 10y ago
    Wow, that is really hard to read.
- throwaway91111 10y ago
  Err, they are not disjoint concepts.
aaron-lebo 10y ago
We HN users overdo the criticism, but what exactly led you to say that? These are the top comments in the thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13475414 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13475414 "props" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13475184 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13475184 "interesting" and: Was linkedin really known for their engineering? Honest question I don't recall ever hearing anything good or bad. What would a thread look like that wasn't "shitting all over the guy"?
- tracker1 10y ago
  Engineering wise, they've been a pretty interesting company... they were relatively early (large company) adopters of using the same views (via node) for client/server rendering via JS. They've also done some unscrupulous things, even if interesting tech wise (the email proxy on iOS, and WTF they are even doing on iOS today and weren't blacklisted is beyond me). I do think he/they could have some positive impacts internally in terms of a lot of the integrations coming into Office365 today. Who knows though. Judging from the work so far on Office365, and how great VS Code and Azure all around are doing, I'm not entirely certain they need to change too much. I'm more leery about LinkedIn's really spammy culture leaking into the really cool things coming out of MS, on top of privacy complains already surrounding windows 10.
  - yarou 10y ago
    Not sure why you're being downvoted, it's sort of common knowledge that LinkedIn used really shady dark patterns in order to increase user acquisition.
  - MichaelMoser123 10y ago
    >I'm more leery about LinkedIn's really spammy culture leaking into the really cool things coming out of MS, on top of privacy complains already surrounding windows 10. Windows has a lot of business users and is a consumer product; now i would guess that the privacy issues don't quite help with the business audience - but i guess that's a major cash cow; Anybody care to explain how they happen to put a major revenue source in jeopardy? I mean as a software company they aren't too much into targeted advertising anyway, so what do they do with all the data that they are gathering? i don't know much about business, please enlighten me.
hueving 10y ago
Don't presume to know anything about the lives of people commenting here. Also, that's an ad hominem attack so it's not really valid anyway.
- justinlaster 10y ago
  Assuming something isn't valid because it contains a fallacy is in and of itself a fallacy. Ad hominems are used all the time in extremely valid ways. Take what he said in spirit, instead of literally.
  - hueving 10y ago
    It is invalid because the ad hominem is the entire content of the comment. There is no content other than the attack on HNers.
    - justinlaster 10y ago
      Well that's clearly false to everyone else, and again, is kind of irrelevant.
- ____nope 10y ago
  Nerds never seem to catch on that dismissing criticism as an ad-hominem is itself an ad-hominem.
  - wcarron 10y ago
    I wouldn't necessarily say so. Rightfully pointing out that someone has made a statement which doesn't add anything to the discussion or support their argument is a valid counter to ad-hominem attacks which aren't automatically themselves ad-hominem.
  - BrandonLive 10y ago
    Further, it's not an ad hominem to insult somebody while arguing with them. It's only an ad hominem if the insult is the basis of your argument.
seanmcdirmid 10y ago
Looking at the top few comment threads, I don't see much shitting going on in non-downvoted comments at least, rather valid questions and answers on who this guy is and why he was selected CTO (a position more like chief visionary). Having worked for Microsoft myself, these decisions, and more importantly their consequences, always seem to be opaque unless you are somehow in the know.
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Avshalom 10y ago
For a company the size and breadth of MS, what does CTO even mean though?
- arethuza 10y ago
  I can say as someone who was removed from a CTO position for being "too technical" is a very good question! [NB In hindsight it was probably the right thing to happen - but finding out during a sales presentation to a customer probably wasn't a great idea...]
KKKKkkkk1 10y ago
You can never go wrong by defending a senior tech executive on HN.

pg_is_a_butt 10y ago

right... it's way better to argue with yourself over the "right" way to comment on HN. you're an ignorant hypocrite. you're all idiots.

justinlaster 10y ago

There has always been an attitude of cynicism that tries to masquerade as wisdom around these parts.

whkr1 10y ago
An absolute goldmine for http://reddit.com/r/iamverysmart/ http://reddit.com/r/iamverysmart/ material.
- pikzen 10y ago
  There's a reason /r/ProgrammingCirclejerk is basically /r/HackerNews
  - Yhippa 10y ago
    That sub is kind of a heat check against the hype of pretty much everything these days.
    - pc86 10y ago
      They could change the name to /r/ShitHNSays
- pb8226 10y ago
  Unfortunately good technical conversation and that often come together and I don't want to tune out a large part of my industry.
- fs111 10y ago
  Wow, that is really hard to read.
throwaway91111 10y ago
Err, they are not disjoint concepts.

aaron-lebo 10y ago

We HN users overdo the criticism, but what exactly led you to say that? These are the top comments in the thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13475414 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13475414 "props" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13475184 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13475184 "interesting" and: Was linkedin really known for their engineering? Honest question I don't recall ever hearing anything good or bad. What would a thread look like that wasn't "shitting all over the guy"?

tracker1 10y ago
Engineering wise, they've been a pretty interesting company... they were relatively early (large company) adopters of using the same views (via node) for client/server rendering via JS. They've also done some unscrupulous things, even if interesting tech wise (the email proxy on iOS, and WTF they are even doing on iOS today and weren't blacklisted is beyond me). I do think he/they could have some positive impacts internally in terms of a lot of the integrations coming into Office365 today. Who knows though. Judging from the work so far on Office365, and how great VS Code and Azure all around are doing, I'm not entirely certain they need to change too much. I'm more leery about LinkedIn's really spammy culture leaking into the really cool things coming out of MS, on top of privacy complains already surrounding windows 10.
- yarou 10y ago
  Not sure why you're being downvoted, it's sort of common knowledge that LinkedIn used really shady dark patterns in order to increase user acquisition.
- MichaelMoser123 10y ago
  >I'm more leery about LinkedIn's really spammy culture leaking into the really cool things coming out of MS, on top of privacy complains already surrounding windows 10. Windows has a lot of business users and is a consumer product; now i would guess that the privacy issues don't quite help with the business audience - but i guess that's a major cash cow; Anybody care to explain how they happen to put a major revenue source in jeopardy? I mean as a software company they aren't too much into targeted advertising anyway, so what do they do with all the data that they are gathering? i don't know much about business, please enlighten me.

hueving 10y ago

Don't presume to know anything about the lives of people commenting here. Also, that's an ad hominem attack so it's not really valid anyway.

justinlaster 10y ago
Assuming something isn't valid because it contains a fallacy is in and of itself a fallacy. Ad hominems are used all the time in extremely valid ways. Take what he said in spirit, instead of literally.
- hueving 10y ago
  It is invalid because the ad hominem is the entire content of the comment. There is no content other than the attack on HNers.
  - justinlaster 10y ago
    Well that's clearly false to everyone else, and again, is kind of irrelevant.
____nope 10y ago
Nerds never seem to catch on that dismissing criticism as an ad-hominem is itself an ad-hominem.
- wcarron 10y ago
  I wouldn't necessarily say so. Rightfully pointing out that someone has made a statement which doesn't add anything to the discussion or support their argument is a valid counter to ad-hominem attacks which aren't automatically themselves ad-hominem.
- BrandonLive 10y ago
  Further, it's not an ad hominem to insult somebody while arguing with them. It's only an ad hominem if the insult is the basis of your argument.

seanmcdirmid 10y ago

Looking at the top few comment threads, I don't see much shitting going on in non-downvoted comments at least, rather valid questions and answers on who this guy is and why he was selected CTO (a position more like chief visionary). Having worked for Microsoft myself, these decisions, and more importantly their consequences, always seem to be opaque unless you are somehow in the know.

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Avshalom 10y ago

For a company the size and breadth of MS, what does CTO even mean though?

arethuza 10y ago
I can say as someone who was removed from a CTO position for being "too technical" is a very good question! [NB In hindsight it was probably the right thing to happen - but finding out during a sales presentation to a customer probably wasn't a great idea...]

KKKKkkkk1 10y ago

You can never go wrong by defending a senior tech executive on HN.