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"Bhautik Joshi posted a paper to arXiv on the topic of some consulting work he did for a short film, and listed the producer and actor as co-authors to garner p
by kobeya 10y ago
"Bhautik Joshi posted a paper to arXiv on the topic of some consulting work he did for a short film, and listed the producer and actor as co-authors to garner publicity."
- salem 10y agoNo, they actually did write parts of the paper. Leaving them out as co-authors would be misconduct.
- johansch 10y agoSource?
- pizza 10y agoIs any arXiv preprint more untrustworthy than any other or something [I mean, it's not viXra...]? I can't help but think it would be degrading to have your name on a paper and it be deemed too advanced to be your responsibility.. You could ask the first author directly, I suppose; https://twitter.com/bhautikj https://twitter.com/bhautikj
- johansch 10y agoMy question was directed at "salem" who stated "No, they actually did write parts of the paper.". That statement seemed like it should have reasoning behind it...
- sp332 10y agoThe paper is about how to iteratively tweak your rendering pipeline to achieve a certain look. It makes sense that the director of the movie would be involved in that process.
- sbierwagen 10y agoIf I tell someone to blur a background during postprocessing, do I also get a coauthor credit on a paper about gaussian photo manipulation?
- Mtinie 10y agoIf the particular blur in question has a unique characteristic, you should push for it, sure.
- sp332 10y agoSo, you didn't read the paper, huh?
- sbierwagen 10y agoI did. They describe using a Keras implementation, written by someone else, of style transfer, which was invented by someone else, to achieve a particular artistic effect. They use a pre-trained model. They don't even have to buy any hardware, since they used AWS GPU instances. It's a case study, nothing new has been accomplished here. Do I also get a Verge writeup if I publish a PDF to arxiv about how I compiled and installed tensorflow? The only reason we're talking about this paper is because the name of a Hollywood actress is on it, and because it has the AI buzzword. Look at the title: "Kristen Stewart co-authors AI paper". 113 points. The paper itself was submitted earlier, under its actual title, which does not mention Kristen Stewart: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13443107 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13443107 6 points! The paper is not very interesting. The only thing that makes it newsworthy is the coauthor.
- salem 10y agoMy source? I would ask what is the source of that quote? The article no longer contains it.
- semi-extrinsic 10y agoActually, she's not an actor in the (short) film in question, she is the director as stated in TFA. The ML technique is applied to achieve a specific effect the director wanted to achieve. Did she submit PRs to TensorFlow? Probably not. Did she contribute to the paper? Most definitely, I think we can even go so far as to say it's plausible she fulfills the Vancouver criteria: Substantial contributions to the conception or design of the work; or (..) AND Drafting the work or revising it critically for important intellectual content; AND Final approval of the version to be published; AND Agreement to be accountable for all aspects of the work Assuming she at some point revised the paper critically for content, which is plausible, there is no denying she's on the author list.
- IshKebab 10y agoIt is plausible that she had some input to the paper beyond requesting the work, and artistic feedback. But it's definitely more likely that she didn't.
- wetmore 10y ago>But it's definitely more likely that she didn't. Why is it "definitely more likely"?
- ecopoesis 10y agoDuh. She's a girl and everyone knows girls can't program. </sarcasm>
- eric_the_read 10y agoPerhaps more charitably, because she has no known history of having done so, and her talents in the acting profession are not generally considered directly transferable.
- IshKebab 10y agoThe vast majority of programmers are men, and acting and AI research are pretty polar opposite activities. Most actors/actresses aren't tech geeks. I guess I'll get downvoted for this too because it sounds anti-women or something, but it is the unfortunate truth.
- zumatic 10y agoThat was my initial reaction, but if you look at section 2, both paragraphs could plausibly have been written by Stewart and/or Shapiro; all the images are authored by Stewart as the director.
- agumonkey 10y agoTrying to apply a technology is enough to publish ?
- rch 10y agoDefinitely. And I wouldn't be surprised to see more methods papers from movies going forward.
- Ar-Curunir 10y agoWhat constitutes a publishable paper depends on the subfield and journal/conference. There are many computer science papers discussing the usability, implementation, application of tech ologies.
- kobeya 10y agoThere are basically no barriers to "publication" on arXiv.
- detaro 10y agoIf you can write something useful about the results or the things you discovered or developed in the process, sure. (Not in every venue of course, but in many) I don't know enough about the specific subfields involved here to guess where and if this specific example would likely pass.