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I use the word "believe" because it is something that is inherently observable to me or you, whether you like it or not. You rely on other people to tell you it

by bedhead 10y ago

I use the word "believe" because it is something that is inherently observable to me or you, whether you like it or not. You rely on other people to tell you it's real, so when you say "we understand" what you really mean is "people other than me understand". It's like saying I believe the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate. Can I observe it? No. But a few guys won a Nobel Prize in Physics in 2011 for discovering that this was true, so I believe them. In any event, I'll gladly take the other side of any of these bets which predict complete and total anarchy. The despondency of the climate scientists you cite is validation how insane (literally) people have become over this, it's not additional evidence of the true state of the world. You say we're "finally here" but the world is fine in the grand scheme of things - that is both observable and demonstrable. You can choose to be depressed and miserable if you want though; I couldn't get you to deviate from your beliefs any more than I could convince a Baptist minister that his religion is nonsense.

Daishiman 10y ago
> In any event, I'll gladly take the other side of any of these bets which predict complete and total anarchy. The despondency of the climate scientists you cite is validation how insane (literally) people have become over this, it's not additional evidence of the true state of the world. So basically you're choosing to willfully ignore the experts' opinions when they're freaking out after having literally spoken to the public for this for 3 decades and having warned of the consequences of inaction. No, your position is insanity. You're essentially denying things because your worldly observations end where your eyes stop seeing. If you went to the Andes and hiked and looked at the glaciers, your opinion would be completely different. If you went to Australian Reef and saw how literally most of the life that used to be there is now completely dead, your opinion would be different. If you were able to see the levels of the water tables in California, your opinion would be different. Your problem is that your vision is completely buffered by living in an environment mostly controlled by humans, buffered from the variance of the world.
- bedhead 10y ago
  I'm sorry you're a miserable person. Your mind has been poisoned. It's not your fault.
dagss 10y ago
"The world is fine", you mean right here right now? So far the stunning thing is the derivatives / rates of change, not the values as such. But rates of change is not something to scuff about. If you are speeding off a cliff you don't go "so far everything looks good" just as long as you are not over the edge yet. In 30 years if you regret these words, I hope you do not go saying "there was no way I could have known give the data at the time". Because that would not be true.

by bedhead 10y ago

Daishiman 10y ago

> In any event, I'll gladly take the other side of any of these bets which predict complete and total anarchy. The despondency of the climate scientists you cite is validation how insane (literally) people have become over this, it's not additional evidence of the true state of the world. So basically you're choosing to willfully ignore the experts' opinions when they're freaking out after having literally spoken to the public for this for 3 decades and having warned of the consequences of inaction. No, your position is insanity. You're essentially denying things because your worldly observations end where your eyes stop seeing. If you went to the Andes and hiked and looked at the glaciers, your opinion would be completely different. If you went to Australian Reef and saw how literally most of the life that used to be there is now completely dead, your opinion would be different. If you were able to see the levels of the water tables in California, your opinion would be different. Your problem is that your vision is completely buffered by living in an environment mostly controlled by humans, buffered from the variance of the world.

bedhead 10y ago
I'm sorry you're a miserable person. Your mind has been poisoned. It's not your fault.

dagss 10y ago

"The world is fine", you mean right here right now? So far the stunning thing is the derivatives / rates of change, not the values as such. But rates of change is not something to scuff about. If you are speeding off a cliff you don't go "so far everything looks good" just as long as you are not over the edge yet. In 30 years if you regret these words, I hope you do not go saying "there was no way I could have known give the data at the time". Because that would not be true.