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All References to Climate Change Have Been Deleted from the White House Website
- woofyman 10y agoHe said it was a hoax. But we were told to take him seriously not literally.
- skylan_q 10y agoIt is a hoax.
- jandrese 10y agoI said it on election day and I'll say it again. Sorry kids, we fucked up. Making billionaires even richer is more important than keeping the Earth livable. Trump doesn't care, he'll be dead before the ice caps finish melting and we start seeing just how badly we're screwed. All that matters in the big race is winning, and winning is measured in dollars.
- iaw 10y agoI downvoted your comment because I don't feel like it has anything to do with the linked story or adds anything to the thread. Rather than complain from the top of the "I told you so" pedestal to people that generally agree with you, I urge you to approach the Trump presidency with rationalism. This isn't a situation where the Trump administration did anything inappropriate, by treating it as if it were you appear dogmatic.
- rmxt 10y agoUrging everyone to approach issues rationally is fine, but how can you excuse the inherent irrationality ("isn't a situation where ... did anything inappropriate") in denying that climate change/global warming is happening? (I am not saying it is or is not anthropogenic -- as far as I know, that is less settled.)
- jmaygarden 10y agoHowever, nothing about climate change was actually deleted. The website was replaced wholesale. What is rational about considering the act of not posting new climate change content on a new website within hours of the inauguration of a new president inappropriate?
- rmxt 10y agoNot sure I understand what you are asking. Could you rephrase it? I think it is irrational that one can develop energy policy, including promoting the increased use of non-renewable resources like coal and gas, without including anything explicitly acknowledging the roles that their extraction and use may have in climate change or environmental damage.
- iaw 10y ago> how can you excuse the inherent irrationality ... in denying that climate change/global warming is happening? I had no intention of excusing the irrationality of climate change denial. It's not that the Trump administration went in and only deleted references to climate change at noon, they replaced the entire site. I have no expectation for them to change position and build out a portion of their new website to address climate change, why would I? I think there position is irrational but the new site design is not a place to fight it.
- newsat13 10y agoThis has nothing to do with Trump or the election though. Mankind is screwing up in general and having some text on whitehouse site is not going to change it. Look at the startup scene. It's all about convenience (ignoring the massive amount of wasted resources), social media is all about endless narcissism and then we have everything handed out free by mining your data. All this is not going to change. All this mindless self-gratifying churn is what worsens the climate.
- burkaman 10y agoReally, Rick Perry and Scott Pruitt have nothing to do with Trump or the election? "eliminating harmful and unnecessary policies such as the Climate Action Plan" and "reviving America’s coal industry" have nothing to do with Trump and the election? https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-energy https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-energy
- newsat13 10y agoIf anything it just worsens the climate faster than the current rate. Climate is going down regardless of who is in power.
- woofyman 10y agoClimate change will never affect Trump or his family personally nor his billionaire friends. Hence its a non issue to him.
- vowelless 10y agoI think the headline is a little wrong or maybe I am misreading it. It's not the case that someone went to the website and deleted climate change references; but rather, there is a new web site which doesn't have any references. As the article itself says : > To reiterate: It is normal that the site is completely new; it is notable that climate change is not mentioned on any one of Trump's new pages
- iaw 10y agoThanks for pointing this out, I missed it on my first read-through. The framing of this article implies that the Trump administration scrubbed the references first thing rather than roll out their new version which had no references to climate change. I'm as ready as half the country to despise this administration but I'll save my outrage for things that are actually malicious.
- burkaman 10y agoThe act of replacing the website is normal, but the content of the replacement is malicious.
- iaw 10y agoHow do you define malicious in this context? I see the content (from summaries, I haven't read it) as 100% self-consistent for the Trump administration.
- burkaman 10y agoIt is, and the Trump administration's position on the climate is malicious, in that it will cause harm to the majority of humanity.
- Coincoin 10y agoTitle should have been: "Things from previous administration we agree about is not on new administration web site."
- blhack 10y agoEVERYTHING has been scrubbed from the site, it would appear, because there is a new administration taking over.
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- masklinn 10y agoIt was quite surprising as I deref'd a link to the Obama administration's exit memos at just that point, but the site is apparently archived at https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/ https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/ (though not entirely, the page linking to the exit memos is there[0] but the link is dead) [0] https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/administration/cabinet/ https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/administration/cabinet/
- azeirah 10y agoI did some digging. $ wget --execute="robots = off" --mirror --convert-links --no-parent www.whitehouse.gov $ grep -rl climate the-press-office/2011/09/20/president-obama-participate-linkedin-town-hall-mountain-view-california- the-press-office/2011/09/21/remarks-president-obama-and-president-clinton-clinton-global-initiative the-press-office/2011/02/28/presidential-proclamation-50th-anniversary-peace-corps joiningforces 1600/first-ladies/mamieeisenhower 1600/first-ladies/louhoover The first three are press releases from 2011, so they're old. The fourth result "joiningforces" has this at the top of the page "This is historical material “frozen in time”. The website is no longer updated and links to external websites and some internal pages may not work." The other two pages are duds, because they're just talking about the climate as in "it's a nice climate". So yep, no references to climate change whatsoever
- lloyd-christmas 10y agoSadly, it's directly mentioned on this page. https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-energy https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-energy
- knowaveragejoe 10y agoIt's a shame that there's not a single mention of renewable, solar, wind, or nuclear, but coal and oil are mentioned multiple times each.
- epaulson 10y agoWhitehouse.gov was archived to https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/ https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/ at noon. It looks like they've done a reasonable job with redirects from old URLs to the archives sites. (Hopefully forever) Not quite the mantra of 'Cool URLs don't change', but a reasonable compromise for making something that the non-technical public can understand.
- masklinn 10y agoSome of the documents are missing though, the cabinet's exit memos are gone: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/administration/cabinet/exit-memos https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/administration/cabinet/...
- takeda 10y agoMaybe they were still restoring the data at that time? Few links that I clicked on that page worked for me.
- BurningFrog 10y agoSome reports even claim that President Obama himself has been replaced by a completely different person!
- colept 10y agoAs someone who lives in South Florida it's bad enough we have to deal with Rick Scott denying rising sea tides in his own back yard. Now we're up against a POTUS who denies the disaster we will face in twenty years yet owns property in the afflicted area (North Miami Beach - Trump Towers). As I watch the city raise the sidewalks and roads by a foot I'm astounded. I've lived here for three years and since I got here every major roadway has been under construction - installing pumps to return flood water back to the bay. When I first arrived, you couldn't cross the street without steeping ankle deep into water and it's getting better. But pumps were only installed in key areas that affected the Mayor's and his friends' commercial properties. I cannot buy property here because to do so would be a huge mistake considering what is now beach front will be underwater unless something is done about it.
- mempko 10y agoIf car exhaust isn't harmful to people and the planet, close the White House windows and pump that shit in cowboy!
- finid 10y agoEvery paragraph on that page scares the heck out of me. Take these two: President Trump is committed to eliminating harmful and unnecessary policies such as the Climate Action Plan and the Waters of the U.S. rule. The Trump Administration is also committed to clean coal technology, and to reviving America’s coal industry, which has been hurting for too long. May God help America!
- iklos55 10y agoWhy is that link flagged?
- grzm 10y agoI suspect the HN members who've done so believe that the resulting discussion would produce more flames than illumination.
- aburan28 10y agoWhy Is this flagged Mods? This pattern of flagging political stories is totally against what the Ycombinator community stands for