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I really don't like either. I don't like LinkedIn because I got a bunch of spam candidates. I also dislike that it doesn't force job posters to disclose salar

I really don't like either. I don't like LinkedIn because I got a bunch of spam candidates. I also dislike that it doesn't force job posters to disclose salary expectations before hand -- this is inefficient. (From an applicant perspective, I do like how easy LinkedIn makes snapping in a resume and submitting an application... but I have to wonder if making it fast to apply is really the best metric.) I dislike Angel List because I have to accept just applicants profiles from Angel List as their application and I like to hit them up with a few basic questions first to save time. (As far as I'm concerned, we don't need another Facebook-for-work type site on top of LinkedIn -- and LinkedIn has already won this battle.) I like JazzHR quite a bit.

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baboun 10y ago
You can set up questions in AngelList I believe, so that applicants have to answer them instead of just saying "I'm interested."
gotofritz 10y ago
As an applicant I don't give my salary expectations until the last moment. It would be foolish to.
- wayn3 10y ago
  its foolish to believe that applicants should have the right to hide their expectations indefinitely but expect employers to broadcast them to the world. if you dont want asymmetry in the negotiation process, be a good sport.
  - 1123581321 10y ago
    Ideally, neither party would offer meaningless pre-interview/discovery numbers and both would be willing to accept nearly any number that made sense after agreeing on the likely quality of the applicant-candidate fit. In practice, neither of those things are true and an early number from a candidate is treated like a late-stage number should be. It's much easier to leave the number out than to try to fix that. And as an employer, I'm certainly not required to give a number. "Market rate" is sufficient to start a conversation with a serious applicant.
    - MrLeap 10y ago
      I assume market rate seafood is going to be overly priced, I assume market rate salaries are going to be middling and uninspiring. I wonder why I assume the phrase "market rate" is a ticket to frown town?
  - Terr_ 10y ago
    First you must fix the asymmetry caused by how employers have a much better data for "what the market will bear." That's the real reason why employers "should" be expected to name the first figure. It makes the relationship less exploitative.
fsloth 10y ago
" I also dislike that it doesn't force job posters to disclose salary expectations before hand -- this is inefficient." No, it's fair. I'm a fairly talented programmer and if I sense any bullshit tactics based on information assymetry I'm not interested on your offer. This is the first advice professionals who have no experience of salary negotiations get: don't say the first price, unless you know what you are doing. That you explicitly expect them to brake this rule does not speak well of your approach to the process. Of course, there can be some local customs and practices I'm not familiar with.
- pyb 10y ago
  Job posters, not job seekers
  - fsloth 10y ago
    Ah, my bad, my apologies. Sadly I can't delete my earlier comment so I'll leave it there for posterity to document my inability in reading comprehension.
    - pyb 10y ago
      You made a good point re. job seekers though :)

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baboun 10y ago

You can set up questions in AngelList I believe, so that applicants have to answer them instead of just saying "I'm interested."

gotofritz 10y ago

As an applicant I don't give my salary expectations until the last moment. It would be foolish to.

wayn3 10y ago
its foolish to believe that applicants should have the right to hide their expectations indefinitely but expect employers to broadcast them to the world. if you dont want asymmetry in the negotiation process, be a good sport.
- 1123581321 10y ago
  Ideally, neither party would offer meaningless pre-interview/discovery numbers and both would be willing to accept nearly any number that made sense after agreeing on the likely quality of the applicant-candidate fit. In practice, neither of those things are true and an early number from a candidate is treated like a late-stage number should be. It's much easier to leave the number out than to try to fix that. And as an employer, I'm certainly not required to give a number. "Market rate" is sufficient to start a conversation with a serious applicant.
  - MrLeap 10y ago
    I assume market rate seafood is going to be overly priced, I assume market rate salaries are going to be middling and uninspiring. I wonder why I assume the phrase "market rate" is a ticket to frown town?
- Terr_ 10y ago
  First you must fix the asymmetry caused by how employers have a much better data for "what the market will bear." That's the real reason why employers "should" be expected to name the first figure. It makes the relationship less exploitative.

fsloth 10y ago

" I also dislike that it doesn't force job posters to disclose salary expectations before hand -- this is inefficient." No, it's fair. I'm a fairly talented programmer and if I sense any bullshit tactics based on information assymetry I'm not interested on your offer. This is the first advice professionals who have no experience of salary negotiations get: don't say the first price, unless you know what you are doing. That you explicitly expect them to brake this rule does not speak well of your approach to the process. Of course, there can be some local customs and practices I'm not familiar with.

pyb 10y ago
Job posters, not job seekers
- fsloth 10y ago
  Ah, my bad, my apologies. Sadly I can't delete my earlier comment so I'll leave it there for posterity to document my inability in reading comprehension.
  - pyb 10y ago
    You made a good point re. job seekers though :)