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Indeed! But then you get great health insurance, good public infrastructure and services, free top-notch education, etc. Basically if you're without any depend

by bru 10y ago

Indeed! But then you get great health insurance, good public infrastructure and services, free top-notch education, etc. Basically if you're without any dependent, you may not see it as worth it, but once you have a family it really starts paying off.

adventured 10y ago
People making the kind of money being discussed here, such that you trigger higher bracket income taxes, have great health insurance in the US as well. Further, decent jobs in the US almost always include health insurance compensation above the salary. I have a brother that works in a pretty normal job earning $42,000 per year (not an outsized salary in the US), he pays $27 per month for his health insurance through his employer, and it's a nice plan. That isn't unusual in the US, health insurance compensation is almost universally ignored in salary comparisons (while the inverse isn't true, the tax based health coverage in other nations is always noted as a perk that should be considered with salaries). The education system you're referring to is not free at all. The very substantial income taxes in France pay for it.
- esw 10y ago
  >he pays $27 per month for his health insurance through his employer, and it's a nice plan. This is really an outlier. The US average for employee premiums is $104/month for individuals and $392/month for families.
  - umanwizard 10y ago
    That might be an outlier relative to the whole population, but is it one relative to good tech jobs? I pay $0 for health insurance, for example, and what I get is perfectly good.
    - esw 10y ago
      The context seems to have been lost in the shuffle. Here's what I was responding to: >I have a brother that works in a pretty normal job earning $42,000 per year (not an outsized salary in the US), he pays $27 per month for his health insurance through his employer, and it's a nice plan. That isn't unusual in the US My point is that most people in 'pretty normal jobs' pay considerably more for healthcare.
    - hayd 10y ago
      Plans differ wildly in copay/oom etc. So $0 isn't what you end up paying if you actually need to use your health plan.
  - closeparen 10y ago
    For even entry-level tech jobs in the Bay Area, it is quite high. I pay $5.
  - jjawssd 10y ago
    US average? Anyway, all my coworkers pay 30 per person 60 per family on a popular health plan from a major insurance company.
  - adventured 10y ago
    Show me the US median instead of the average. The average will usually be substantially tilted higher by extreme examples at the top end. I'd be willing to bet the median is closer to $60-$70. That's not expensive.
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- bru 10y ago
  > The education system you're referring to is not free at all. The very substantial income taxes in France pay for it. That's like my whole point… You'll effectively get less money than in the US, but you're subsidising a fraternal economy which you enjoy too.
  - adventured 10y ago
    Here's the same exact same free education logic applied to the US system: US universities are free. The money you don't pay in taxes covers the cost. What evidence would you hold up to suggest the French fraternal economy system is the one to mimic? As opposed to Sweden, Germany, or the UK, which have all produced superior results the last few decades with different approaches from that of France.
    - wott 10y ago
      > As opposed to Sweden, Germany, or the UK, which have all produced superior results the last few decades with different approaches from that of France. What???
      - adventured 10y ago
        Sweden, Germany and the UK have approached economic growth far differently than what France has, and have produced superior results to that of France. The question was, why would the "French fraternal" system be worthy of being copied given its weak results? See for example: Sweden's economic deregulation and lowering of taxes, which prompted their significant economic boom. http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0803/international-invest-guide-obama-sweden-public-downsizing.html http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0803/international-invest-...
        wott 10y ago
        You say pure bullshit, as in all your messages in this thread. Almost all European countries share the same principles about education and universities, and their funding, that's what is was about. You obviously don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about, but you don't care, you keep talking and talking, the only thing that matters it to end with "Murica is better than anything else".
- wott 10y ago
  > he pays $27 per month for his health insurance That's not even close to cover the same things.
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by bru 10y ago

adventured 10y ago

People making the kind of money being discussed here, such that you trigger higher bracket income taxes, have great health insurance in the US as well. Further, decent jobs in the US almost always include health insurance compensation above the salary. I have a brother that works in a pretty normal job earning $42,000 per year (not an outsized salary in the US), he pays $27 per month for his health insurance through his employer, and it's a nice plan. That isn't unusual in the US, health insurance compensation is almost universally ignored in salary comparisons (while the inverse isn't true, the tax based health coverage in other nations is always noted as a perk that should be considered with salaries). The education system you're referring to is not free at all. The very substantial income taxes in France pay for it.

esw 10y ago
>he pays $27 per month for his health insurance through his employer, and it's a nice plan. This is really an outlier. The US average for employee premiums is $104/month for individuals and $392/month for families.
- umanwizard 10y ago
  That might be an outlier relative to the whole population, but is it one relative to good tech jobs? I pay $0 for health insurance, for example, and what I get is perfectly good.
  - esw 10y ago
    The context seems to have been lost in the shuffle. Here's what I was responding to: >I have a brother that works in a pretty normal job earning $42,000 per year (not an outsized salary in the US), he pays $27 per month for his health insurance through his employer, and it's a nice plan. That isn't unusual in the US My point is that most people in 'pretty normal jobs' pay considerably more for healthcare.
  - hayd 10y ago
    Plans differ wildly in copay/oom etc. So $0 isn't what you end up paying if you actually need to use your health plan.
- closeparen 10y ago
  For even entry-level tech jobs in the Bay Area, it is quite high. I pay $5.
- jjawssd 10y ago
  US average? Anyway, all my coworkers pay 30 per person 60 per family on a popular health plan from a major insurance company.
- adventured 10y ago
  Show me the US median instead of the average. The average will usually be substantially tilted higher by extreme examples at the top end. I'd be willing to bet the median is closer to $60-$70. That's not expensive.
- deleted 10y ago
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bru 10y ago
> The education system you're referring to is not free at all. The very substantial income taxes in France pay for it. That's like my whole point… You'll effectively get less money than in the US, but you're subsidising a fraternal economy which you enjoy too.
- adventured 10y ago
  Here's the same exact same free education logic applied to the US system: US universities are free. The money you don't pay in taxes covers the cost. What evidence would you hold up to suggest the French fraternal economy system is the one to mimic? As opposed to Sweden, Germany, or the UK, which have all produced superior results the last few decades with different approaches from that of France.
  - wott 10y ago
    > As opposed to Sweden, Germany, or the UK, which have all produced superior results the last few decades with different approaches from that of France. What???
    - adventured 10y ago
      Sweden, Germany and the UK have approached economic growth far differently than what France has, and have produced superior results to that of France. The question was, why would the "French fraternal" system be worthy of being copied given its weak results? See for example: Sweden's economic deregulation and lowering of taxes, which prompted their significant economic boom. http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0803/international-invest-guide-obama-sweden-public-downsizing.html http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0803/international-invest-...
      - wott 10y ago
        You say pure bullshit, as in all your messages in this thread. Almost all European countries share the same principles about education and universities, and their funding, that's what is was about. You obviously don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about, but you don't care, you keep talking and talking, the only thing that matters it to end with "Murica is better than anything else".
wott 10y ago
> he pays $27 per month for his health insurance That's not even close to cover the same things.

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