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I always wondered if YouTube hates people who put lots of unlisted family videos for friends that get say 10 or so views. It's costing in them storage but with

I always wondered if YouTube hates people who put lots of unlisted family videos for friends that get say 10 or so views. It's costing in them storage but with virtually no ad revenue.

digler999 10y ago
disks have hit 10tb per 3.5" disk, which means you could have petabytes in each rack. I think we're at the point now where the materials are almost "free" compared to the amount of information you can fit on them. Plus, they mine the shit out of that data. Even if they're not earning ad revenue on it, they're tracking location, usage statistics, I wouldn't be surprised if their user agreement includes the ability to have AI "watch" the video and try to mine data about what's happening in the video the same way they mine your email to build smarter and more effective consumer profiles about you. So even with nobody watching your video, I wouldn't put it past the "G-men" to find a way to eke some profit off it.
- niftich 10y ago
  It does. Our automated systems analyze your content (including emails) to provide you personally relevant product features, such as customized search results, tailored advertising, and spam and malware detection. This analysis occurs as the content is sent, received, and when it is stored. [1] [1] https://www.google.com/policies/terms/ https://www.google.com/policies/terms/
  - nikofeyn 10y ago
    i (dis)like how it spins it as a benefit to you.
    - witty_username 10y ago
      Youtube videos are tailored towards my interests so there are some benefits.
- motoboi 10y ago
  According to Parkinson's Law, data will always expand to fill available storage. We may have petabytes for rack, but 4K videos are coming. wiki.c2.com/?ParkinsonsLaw
  - krallja 10y ago
    Coming? The iPhone 7 already records at 4K.
    - bcook 10y ago
      By "4K videos are coming" I think he meant that 4K will soon become the norm, not that it is currently impossible.
  - stordoff 10y ago
    I'd say 4K videos are already here. My Lumia 950, released late 2015, records in 4K by default, and the iPhone 6S, released around the same time, also supports it. They aren't the norm, but I imagine YouTube sees a fair number of 4K uploads.
  - Dylan16807 10y ago
    > 4K videos are coming Yes, but screens increase in resolution very slowly, and you're physically limited in how much resolution you can get on a small sensor. And video compression is improving quite impressively. So in the end, storage is growing a lot faster than the bitrate of videos. I'm sure there will be plenty of demand, it comes through changes in the way we use things.
    - drawnwren 10y ago
      Luckily, we're just starting an appetite for 360 videos and videos with depth are somewhere on the horizon as well.
    - brokenmachine 10y ago
      > So in the end, storage is growing a lot faster than the bitrate of videos. Is that true? I've been pricing hard drives recently, and they seem to have stagnated for the last few years, staying at about the same price, with the best value per Gb at around 4Tb. I thought h265 took about half the space of h264 for the same quality, but a 4k screen is actually 4x the pixels of 1080p... So I'm guessing 4k h265 would be about double the bitrate of 1080p h264.
- loeg 10y ago
  We can fit almost a PB in 4U (with flash, which has even better densities than 10TB/3.5"). You can have multiple PBs in a rack.
  - jsjohnst 10y ago
    Technically you could almost do that with spinning disks. I've seen chassis that do 60 3.5" drives in 4U. With 10TB drives that could be 6PB or more in a single rack. For original photo storage which is primarily write once w/ rare if ever deletes and infrequent reads, you could potentially get by with PMR drives, further reducing the cost.
- NickBusey 10y ago
  Not saying you're wrong, but the first sentence of the article is "One of the largest cost drivers in running a service like Flickr is storage." Sure doesn't sound "free" or even "almost free" to me.
trevor-e 10y ago
There are plenty of other ways it creates value: user retention, analytics/data mining, and more I'm sure. In my experience, people who upload family videos are more likely to not have AdBlock installed, so maybe it balances out for them.
- Nition 10y ago
  Still, there'll be a lot of video uploaded 10 years ago and never watched again.
sharkweek 10y ago
I guess my general assumption is they don't mind because these same people are then probably popping around through other videos, which do have ads on them.
- photojosh 10y ago
  Agreed. (Anecdote but) the number of people I know in my personal life who upload to YouTube could be counted on one hand, and all of them are heavy YT consumers as well.
beardog 10y ago
Perhaps in the future Google could make YouTube videos count towards your Drive quota? Though this would be problematic for accounts that already have tons of footage.
nimchimpsky 10y ago
I've seen channels with people uploading an endless number of 10 min empty clips.
- ec109685 10y ago
  That probably compresses really well.
doh 10y ago
Well, there is not that many of them. Only around 2% uploaded videos to YouTube are private (roughly 14M in the last year). Another 8% are public videos with under 1k views (50M in the last year). I do believe that YouTube is not hyper excited about these videos, but they do have some optimization techniques in place. For instance they don't automatically generate all possible video profiles up until they are not requested. By default they produce around 6, while very popular videos may have up to 40.

I always wondered if YouTube hates people who put lots of unlisted family videos for friends that get say 10 or so views. It's costing in them storage but with virtually no ad revenue.

digler999 10y ago

disks have hit 10tb per 3.5" disk, which means you could have petabytes in each rack. I think we're at the point now where the materials are almost "free" compared to the amount of information you can fit on them. Plus, they mine the shit out of that data. Even if they're not earning ad revenue on it, they're tracking location, usage statistics, I wouldn't be surprised if their user agreement includes the ability to have AI "watch" the video and try to mine data about what's happening in the video the same way they mine your email to build smarter and more effective consumer profiles about you. So even with nobody watching your video, I wouldn't put it past the "G-men" to find a way to eke some profit off it.

niftich 10y ago
It does. Our automated systems analyze your content (including emails) to provide you personally relevant product features, such as customized search results, tailored advertising, and spam and malware detection. This analysis occurs as the content is sent, received, and when it is stored. [1] [1] https://www.google.com/policies/terms/ https://www.google.com/policies/terms/
- nikofeyn 10y ago
  i (dis)like how it spins it as a benefit to you.
  - witty_username 10y ago
    Youtube videos are tailored towards my interests so there are some benefits.
motoboi 10y ago
According to Parkinson's Law, data will always expand to fill available storage. We may have petabytes for rack, but 4K videos are coming. wiki.c2.com/?ParkinsonsLaw
- krallja 10y ago
  Coming? The iPhone 7 already records at 4K.
  - bcook 10y ago
    By "4K videos are coming" I think he meant that 4K will soon become the norm, not that it is currently impossible.
- stordoff 10y ago
  I'd say 4K videos are already here. My Lumia 950, released late 2015, records in 4K by default, and the iPhone 6S, released around the same time, also supports it. They aren't the norm, but I imagine YouTube sees a fair number of 4K uploads.
- Dylan16807 10y ago
  > 4K videos are coming Yes, but screens increase in resolution very slowly, and you're physically limited in how much resolution you can get on a small sensor. And video compression is improving quite impressively. So in the end, storage is growing a lot faster than the bitrate of videos. I'm sure there will be plenty of demand, it comes through changes in the way we use things.
  - drawnwren 10y ago
    Luckily, we're just starting an appetite for 360 videos and videos with depth are somewhere on the horizon as well.
  - brokenmachine 10y ago
    > So in the end, storage is growing a lot faster than the bitrate of videos. Is that true? I've been pricing hard drives recently, and they seem to have stagnated for the last few years, staying at about the same price, with the best value per Gb at around 4Tb. I thought h265 took about half the space of h264 for the same quality, but a 4k screen is actually 4x the pixels of 1080p... So I'm guessing 4k h265 would be about double the bitrate of 1080p h264.
loeg 10y ago
We can fit almost a PB in 4U (with flash, which has even better densities than 10TB/3.5"). You can have multiple PBs in a rack.
- jsjohnst 10y ago
  Technically you could almost do that with spinning disks. I've seen chassis that do 60 3.5" drives in 4U. With 10TB drives that could be 6PB or more in a single rack. For original photo storage which is primarily write once w/ rare if ever deletes and infrequent reads, you could potentially get by with PMR drives, further reducing the cost.
NickBusey 10y ago
Not saying you're wrong, but the first sentence of the article is "One of the largest cost drivers in running a service like Flickr is storage." Sure doesn't sound "free" or even "almost free" to me.

trevor-e 10y ago

There are plenty of other ways it creates value: user retention, analytics/data mining, and more I'm sure. In my experience, people who upload family videos are more likely to not have AdBlock installed, so maybe it balances out for them.

Nition 10y ago
Still, there'll be a lot of video uploaded 10 years ago and never watched again.

sharkweek 10y ago

I guess my general assumption is they don't mind because these same people are then probably popping around through other videos, which do have ads on them.

photojosh 10y ago
Agreed. (Anecdote but) the number of people I know in my personal life who upload to YouTube could be counted on one hand, and all of them are heavy YT consumers as well.

beardog 10y ago

Perhaps in the future Google could make YouTube videos count towards your Drive quota? Though this would be problematic for accounts that already have tons of footage.

nimchimpsky 10y ago

I've seen channels with people uploading an endless number of 10 min empty clips.

ec109685 10y ago
That probably compresses really well.

doh 10y ago

Well, there is not that many of them. Only around 2% uploaded videos to YouTube are private (roughly 14M in the last year). Another 8% are public videos with under 1k views (50M in the last year). I do believe that YouTube is not hyper excited about these videos, but they do have some optimization techniques in place. For instance they don't automatically generate all possible video profiles up until they are not requested. By default they produce around 6, while very popular videos may have up to 40.