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Why I switched from OS X to Linux
- kozikow 10y agoI have been Linux for a few years, OSX for a few years and now back to Linux - i3 is great, better than tiling WMs for OS X, including amethyst. - I didn't notice lack of Microsoft Office - Import to google docs and LibreOffice have been more than sufficient. - Gimp and inkspace are the biggest difference. Photoshop and Illustrator are much better. On the other hand, I disliked spammy "Adobe creative cloud" on Mac. - Installing many dev tools is easier. brew was much worse than pacman/yaourt in Arch Linux. - For many tools mentioned in article (mail, music, calendar) web interface have been better for me, even on Mac - If you want to use nice new things happening in 2016, like train deep learning models or play VR you need a PC.
- tcbawo 10y agoI'm loving Win10 with WSL and Mintty on my Lenovo X1 Carbon. A few glitches here and there, but the touch interface is intuitive, battery life is good, and reasonable driver support. I've also been quite happy with Linux VMs managed through Vagrant, regardless of host OS.
- rurban 10y agoI'd love to switch back also. But 3 counter arguments: 1. dtrace (I don't see systemtap improving that, and there's the unhealthy NIH syndrom) 2. wifi reconnnection time (10x slower) 3. power (always behind, always have to patch or recompile kernels or kernel modules. this actually broke my last linux laptop) OS X is getting worse and worse, almost to the state of systemd. But do I want to switch over to systemd? No, hell no.
- NEDM64 10y agoRidiculous article, just look at his software selection. It is clearly inferior to what he he's using on Mac, and if he likes, he can use emacs in macOS.
- h1d 10y agoAs a web/app developer there's nowhere to go unless third party apps mature. The OS itself really doesn't matter. What I feel unreplaceable, (I don't mind free or paid) - Sequel Pro (Windows may have HeidiSQL) - Source Tree (Windows one exist but not Linux.) - Better Touch Tools - Forklift / Transmit (That does dual pane file browser / sftp remote browser) - QR clipboard (To pass URL to phone) - Xcode Web browser, email and Jetbrains stuff are available all over, so those are fine though. It's sad and ironic that I can't recommend a good git gui client to a friend who uses Linux daily.
- digi_owl 10y ago> Xcode That one's going to be a hard nut to crack... > Forklift / Transmit (That does dual pane file browser / sftp remote browser) MC anyone? /semi-s
- astrodust 10y agoI think it's important to note here that the reason a lot of people switch from macOS/OS X to Linux is because they can. There's been a tremendous amount of work over the last ten years to make the Linux desktop environment habitable. At first it was usable for very narrow use cases, like living within an Office-compatible application, but over time that space has grown. What was once done out of spite can now be done for the sake of convenience. Instead of being all negative about Apple not living up to our expectations I think we should appreciate how much Linux has exceeded them.
- soperj 10y agoI haven't felt restricted by linux in a very long time, and I've been using it for over a decade.
- paulddraper 10y agoI have been using Linux for a long time, and it seems like every time I try to watch a DVD, it's a fresh round of hacking for 30 minutes before I can get it to work.
- Mikeb85 10y agoHow? VLC + every distro has drivers...
- gribbly 10y agoWhat distro are you on ? As I recall, installing libdvdcss, libdvdnav, libdvdread from the official repos solved that problem and allowed me to painlessly watch dvd's through players like VLC and MPlayer.
- devoply 10y agoYou still watching DVDs grandpa? I wanna watch Netflix on the stupid thing. I use my android tablet for that instead.
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- blakesterz 10y agoHis "Usecase OS X Linux Comment" table is interesting. My main workstation is a desktop machine I built that's running Ubuntu 14. I've been slowly stockpiling parts to build a new/bigger/better/faster desktop, and I'm going to run Ubuntu 16 on that. 90% of my work is done in the terminal, so I'd be just fine on OSX, but I can't justify paying so much for the hardware when the OS is just not that much better. My good ol' reliable 2009 PowerBook finally died and I'm not traveling with a ThinkPad Yoga 11e thing. Windows 10 has been acceptable, though the updates are just damn painful sometimes. I found MobaXterm works well for me in the way that I work. I keep thinking I really want a new PowerBook, but I just don't know why. I know it's just not worth it. The only time I use the laptop extensively is when I travel, and the ThinkPad/Windows gets the job done just fine. So, yeah, switching from OSX to Linux now isn't so bad. Isn't 2017 the year of "Linux On The Desktop", or was that 2016, or 2015, or 14...
- ticoombs 10y agoFYI ThinkPads have great Linux support. Tested my X1carbon with Ubuntu 16.04LTS. http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
- pfranz 10y agoAny reason you aren't running Linux on the laptop? Also, you might want to look into a used Macbook Pro. As you have seen, they can last for awhile and parts (like batteries) are usually easy to source even years after they've been discontinued. FYI, they stopped using the PowerBook naming in 2006.
- bebort45 10y agoFor any Android devs out there. I built a linux beast workstation just for running Android Studio/Gradle et al. Then used NoMachine to headless into it. Kept my 2013 MBP and got a 4-5x improvement in build/deploy cycles without leaving OSX completely behind. Highly recommended.
- TheOneTrueKyle 10y agoThanks! I know what I am doing this weekend. 2010 MBP don't fail me now!
- boondaburrah 10y agoYou wouldn't happen to know where to get a decent NoMachine 3 replacement would you? I'm completely sold on the compressed/cached X forwarding that 3 offered, even if the server can only be an X11/*nix based machine. It was so fast it beat my school's on-LAN citrix server when I was remoting home through my house's DSL! I'm sad they abandoned it for more server compatibility in 4 and won't provide old 3 downloads that I could find...
- nickysielicki 10y agohttps://www.spice-space.org/page/Main_Page https://www.spice-space.org/page/Main_Page
- simplyred 10y agoNoMachine, in the Workstation version uses the exact X protocol compression of the version 3, even improved, with the same brilliant performance. Anyway the Workstation is a commercial product, so I understand some may dislike it or prefer completely “free” stuff.
- ajosh 10y agoX2Go is a remote access program which is based on nx3. It worked pretty well when I was messing with it. I've never been on to do a lot of day-to-day work on rdp/vnc/nx but if I wanted to using an x11 system, it would be my choice.
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- tps5 10y agoNice article. I started using Linux (Ubuntu) last year. I was trying to get into open source software and I had a choice between a Macbook or a Dell laptop with Ubuntu on it. I was aware that Linux had a reputation of being difficult to use but I was planning on doing some learning anyway, so why not give it a try? Of course, another factor was that I've never really cared for Macs much. I never understood the appeal of Mac design and I always felt like Mac products, and particularly one button mice, violate "form follows function." (note: I'm not design-minded). Anyway, I was really surprised that Ubuntu desktop (unity) was basically the same thing as Windows, except the sidebar was on the left. That and I could use the software manager (and later, apt-get) to install common programs instead of googling "skype installer," which is what I would have done on windows. Later, I learned to appreciate how easy it is to edit config files in Linux. Plain text files vs. regedit? Yeah, I'll take the English please.
- zouhair 10y agoMaybe UnixPorn[0] would interest you. [0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/ https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/
- herbst 10y agoYou just got started :) many long time users would agree that unity is the most terrible ux out there. Go and try gnome shell, mate, kde, i3, ... ;
- tribaal 10y agoThat's really a matter of taste. "Many long time users" will also agree that Unity is just fine as far as UX goes. Source: I'm a happy Unity user.
- herbst 10y agoTrue that
- CalRobert 10y agoI disliked Unity when I was new to it, but after learning the keyboard shortcuts I really like it. I think that, and getting used to the idea of searching for things rather than expecting a directory structure for displaying programs/operations, is the main limitation. Of course, discovery is an issue with this method, and that just came with a few weeks of using it.
- jmcdiesel 10y agoAside from the Terminator being better than iTerm2, he's pretty spot on :)
- terrywang 10y agoSame, I was surprise to see this bit ;-) Konsole has been my daily terminal emulator since the move from GNOME {2,3} (since the removal of fallback mode which subsequently disabled compiz fusion, also breaking a lot of my long term formed habits) to KDE 4.10 (now latest plasma 5). Cannot complain. However, there is a new GPU accelerated terminal emulator emerging - alacritty which claims to be the fastest in the business. Looks promising (I've tried it) -> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13338592 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13338592
- pyre 10y agoMy issue with Alacritty is that it is attempting to be a GPU-accelerated terminal in the space that urxvt operates in (bare-bones, few configuration options, etc). One of the things I like about iTerm 2 is the ability to configure so much of it (even just small things like having multiple cursor styles to choose from, and configuring cursor blinking).
- desireco42 10y agoI love Iterm2 but Terminator is very much awesome.
- jdhendrickson 10y agoIf terminator supported keyboard shortcut transparency change in the same way iterm2 did I could switch, (not the full window just the background of the terminal). I often have the docs up and want to type and read at the same time on my laptop without flipping back and forth.
- peatmoss 10y agoAt one point, I ran everything I needed to on free nix, then got a Mac in the early 2000s. Over the years, I enjoyed trying the shiny new things, and being on a supported platform was a novelty. Plus, it was liberating to not futz with XF86Config files and to have a mobile \nix workstation. But there hit a point when learning the shiny just felt like a chore, and I started gravitating back to tried and true software like emacs. And Linux stopped requiring much futzing to work pretty well. And the need to exchange Word docs evaporated due to Google Docs, LibreOffice, and life circumstances. And somewhere I decided that workstations are a luxury. And then MacOS started crapping up the UI with stuff I never asked for. It became more of a hassle to strip the Mac than to build up a more comfortable free \*nix environment. I'm unlikely to go back. I'll always be glad for the decade+ Apple gave me. But I'm even more thankful for the luxury of not needing them.
- gwern 10y agoThis could use some copyediting, OP. You make a lot of typos, like 'controll' or 'powerfull' or 'simmular'. Have you tried adding Flyspell to your markdown-mode Emacs hooks?
- microcolonel 10y agoI recommend Geary if you wan an experience like Mail.app. The keybindings are a lot more ergonomic than Mail.app's (C-M-a is finger-gymnastic, especially on Mac keyboards).
- grinich 10y agoIf you're looking for a great mail experience on Linux, I definitely recommend checking out Nylas N1. It's open source and built on ElectronJS with a beautiful UI and modern features. https://github.com/nylas/n1 https://github.com/nylas/n1 https://nylas.com/download https://nylas.com/download PS: I work at Nylas. :)
- greenhatman 10y agoI use N1. Love it. And it's open source!
- BuuQu9hu 10y agoWhat is the Nylas business model?
- ptomato 10y ago> great > ElectronJS A tad mutually exclusive. I did try N1 ~6 months ago and performance was as bad as expected in an Electron app, though admittedly it may have improved since then.
- chj 10y agoI may be switching to Linux sooner than I expected, just because the latest Emacs for MacOSX is so broken regarding input issues.
- stinkytaco 10y agoWhich version are you using? I've never found emacs in OSX to be great. When homebrew came along, it greatly simplified and improved my experience because they maintained a better version of emacs. And when I'm feeling particularly lazy, I use Aquamacs.
- artificial 10y agoYou may be interested in giving SpaceMacs (http://spacemacs.org/ http://spacemacs.org/) a shot.
- Koshkin 10y agoI loved the design of the original Mac OS. It was a breath of fresh air in comparison with the ascetic world of MS DOS. I loved Windows, too, both in its 16-bit incarnation and as the 32-bit NT. It gave you the power unseen before. The design of Windows NT, as it was originally conceived, seemed amazing to me. And I loved Linux, too - for being a UNIX, for its openness, and for its virtually immediate availability at no charge... As years passed, both Mac OS and Windows have been gradually losing their appeal, getting more and more bloated, resource-hungry, sometimes plain crazy. Finally, they deteriorated to the point of a marginal usefulness to me. Linux, on the other hand, has been improving at an astounding pace. Today, it is friendly. It is snappy. And it does not spy on you. There are many variants to choose from. You can get it up and running in no time. It is there to suit your computing needs. Today, there is nothing better.
- dcdevito 10y agoHow exactly has Linux been improving??
- bb611 10y agoTwo I've noticed in the past 3 years: - Better compatibility with modern hardware. In particular, working out of the box just the way you'd expect from windows, without having to go find some drivers and build them yourself. Still some ways to go here on some peripherals (wifi adapters in particular), but a lot of progress. - Much more emphasis on user experience. Ubuntu in particular really has tried to create a non-power user friendly desktop experience. If you need a program you can get it without having to compile from source and decide where to put it yourself. Once again, this is much longer term and also requires the people actually creating the software to make changes, but it's definitely improving.
- elzi 10y agoI can't tell if there's legitimately more of these articles going around, or if I'm just noticing them more because they reflect my personal desires. Like the Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon when you get a new car.
- ekianjo 10y agoSeems like there are more of them than before because of the recent disappointing Mac updates.
- pokpokpok 10y agonow that so many applications (slack/atom/spotify/signal) are built with Electron, there's tons of first class software in linux, plus with tiling window managers that are better than anything on macOS
- JustSomeNobody 10y agoHmmm.... nope, don't use any of those "apps".
- pyre 10y agoSignal is built with Electron? I thought it was a Chrome App, not a standalone app.
- shmerl 10y agoI know various MacOS refugees who switched to Linux because of gaming and Apple abandoning their OS. With OpenGL stuck on 4.1 for years, and no Vulkan support in sight, they for example can't use many latest features in Wine that depend on recent OpenGL and Vulkan, while Linux has no such problems.
- andai 10y agoWait a minute, switched to Linux because of gaming? I'm considering switching to macOS so I can play StarCraft. (That's not the only reason haha)
- mastazi 10y agoI have used Steam on Linux for some time, of course many games are Win only but the choice on Linux is not bad, I guess the situation has improved thanks to the introduction of SteamOS. In addition, often you can play Win games using Wine, while on a Mac [EDIT: the following is true only if the game needs Vulkan or OpenGL > 4.1] the only way would be using bootcamp (which means you have to reboot every time you want to play). Disclaimer: I haven't used Mac OS in recent times so I may be unaware of other solutions.
- 0942v8653 10y agoYou can use Wine perfectly well on Mac, as far as I'm aware. I have used PlayOnMac (a wrapper of Wine) for Artemis Bridge Simulator and it works great. Though Wine is used more often on Linux, I think, so it may be more stable.
- shmerl 10y agoYou can, but it's limited because of stagnation of MacOS graphics stack. While Wine on Linux continues chiseling at DX11 support, it's not going to happen on MacOS (no OpenGL beyond 4.1). Same goes for Vulkan. Games like Doom (2016) can work in Wine on Linux, but on MacOS - no dice.
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- im_down_w_otp 10y agoI'm mostly enjoying the KDE Neon distro. It's polished, built on a stable newish base for the rest of the system. But as I've said repeatedly in the past, the thing that still drives me completely insane are the keyboard shortcuts, their general inconsistency across DE, apps, etc., the layering interaction of how they're intercepted by different parts of the system (so even when I can manually change them to be consistent, I still can't guarantee they'll be interpreted correctly), and their use of the Control key as the primary modifier in both GUI and Terminal applications. Linux mostly copied Windows in this regard, and it's just as painful as Windows (and then some) for that reason. I would gladly pay $1,000 for a KDE Neon or Fedora Gnome distro that went through the trouble of thoroughly implementing and maintaining a version with fully Mac-like keyboard shortcuts and keyboard shortcut customization facilities. I'd pay that per user for my team too. We'd make the money back quickly on savings in hardware purchases.
- fallenshell 10y agoHave you taken a look at elementaryOS?
- im_down_w_otp 10y agoI have. How does that solve the problem I mentioned? The whole thing uses basically GNOME standard keyboard shortcuts, and two extremely common ones, Cmd-S and Cmd-W, which are normally used universally for "Save" and "Close" respectively are actually for doing things with the window and workspace manager in elementaryOS. For the most part the shortcuts seem to be inherited from GNOME/Gtk.
- kps 10y agoQt (the library KDE uses) has an internal switch to use the GUI key (Command/Windows/Super/...) instead of Control, but it's only enabled on OS X. Making that a user-configurable option for other systems would go a long way. I have no idea what the Qt/KDE folks' attitude toward that would be, but I can see it as a selling point for Mac refugees, so it may be worth your while to investigate.
- autocorr 10y agoThat "usecase" table is pretty handy! I must admit that I'm enjoying all this recent spate of articles on the front-page about Linux compatible laptops and similar programs, even if they cause a bit of an adversarial comment section. :) As [astrodust] points out, there's been great strides in making the Linux ecosystem "habitable." With more people thinking about putting in the effort to switch, I think it would be useful if we focused on the positive aspects of a free operating system and not just that you can run them on systems without a touchbar. The article mentions configurability and being able to run it on anything. I'd add zero cost and privacy. If you value those things then switching could still be worth it in the end even with other pain points.
- lindgrenj6 10y agoGood writeup. I made a similar switch after the new MBP announcement this year. I used windows through college (muh games), switched to linux in the 3rd year, used it for about 2 years, then bought a mac which was nice at first because of the nice unix tools while having supported software and a decent gui. 10.11/12 did me in, the OS is so much worse than it used to be, and that brought me back to linux and it has honestly been a breath of fresh air. Everything is so nice!
- ndesaulniers 10y agoI just sold my 2011 13" Macbook Air and bought a Razer Blade Stealth to run Linux. Will have to write up my thoughts soon (I don't have the replacement yet)!
- ahassan 10y agoI'm in a similar boat. I'm replacing my 2013 13" Pro with a new XPS 13. It just came yesterday so I can't really review it at this point, but I'm impressed so far.
- jdhendrickson 10y agoI had considered doing the same, any chance you could ping me when you post about it?
- criddell 10y agoI'm always surprised when these discussions happen how few people are using macOS because of Mac-only software. I'm thinking of things like BBEdit or TextMate, Messages, any of the Omni Group's titles, Automator, Final Cut, Scrivener, GarageBand, etc...
- desireco42 10y agoBefore switching to Mac, I admired Omni Group software. Now after so many years on Mac, I don't use them, I use others. But I agree with you, if your intent was to emphasize how good this software is. Main reason why I didn't use it, I don't want to be tied only to Mac platform. From this perspective, it was a good hunch. I have android phone, omni focus is not available, others are.
- RileyKyeden 10y agoScrivener isn't Mac-only.
- criddell 10y agoThe ports aren't as good though.
- RileyKyeden 10y agoI use it on Windows. Seems fine to me. What am I not noticing?
- criddell 10y agoThe Mac version is always ahead. The Windows version is still a v1.9 and the Mac version is at v2.0.
- RileyKyeden 10y agoIt's just a number. It only reflects the fact that the Windows version started long after the original Mac software. They're still mostly the same. List of differences: http://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=16056 http://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t... I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything.
- colordrops 10y agoWhat finally got me to switch was a tiling window manager. I hated all graphical desktops on Linux, and finally bit the bullet and installed XMonad. My productivity has increased measurably. Its the only graphical environment I can tolerate besides OS X's window manager, and I actually prefer it.
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- jhasse 10y ago"OS X's window manager" wait what? IIRC it doesn't have any tiling support at all.
- YPCrumble 10y agoIs it yet possible to build an iPhone app using something like React Native on Linux? This is the only reason I'm still on a mac.
- OJFord 10y agoI think something like this exists, but you still need a Mac because you still need Xcode to sign and publish afaik.
- __erik 10y agoKind of but not really: http://www.proreactnative.com/How-to-Develop-iOS-Apps-on-Linux-Using-React-Native/ http://www.proreactnative.com/How-to-Develop-iOS-Apps-on-Lin...) I see no reason why Apple would make it easy to develop iPhone apps on anything but MacOS.
- muro 10y agoWhy I switched from OS-X to Linux: 1. tensorflow with GPU acceleration only works on Linux. 2. Mac Pro is silly expensive and old, HP z440 with Haswell 8core xeon + much better GPU cost me much less than the entry level Mac Pro 3. I can reboot into Windows and play games (on a good GPU) I realised I liked consistency of keyboard shortcuts and replaced my work MBP15 with a X1 carbo nand realised how crazy heavy the MBP is. Still miss Lightroom and Preview on Mac OS.
- milankragujevic 10y agoJust wanted to share my personal experience with Linux. I recently got a new laptop and was very salty about it because it came with SecureBoot on and Windows 10. However, with the help of some people on the Internet, I managed to figure out how to turn off SecureBoot and install Ubuntu on it. I tried various Linuxes and always keep going back to Ubuntu, might be the familiarity of it. I like Mint as well, but I miss the Unity desktop, heh. Anyways, I'm currently on Windows 10 again, but I keep switching to Linux and back to Windows because Windows bothers me, and I think soon enough I will permanently break free from the shackles of Microsoft and use Linux full time. Currently what bothers me most is that the mouse pointer is fiddly and requires some terminal commands to fix but it never "just works" as on Windows. I have a weird USB Wireless mouse, and it's old and becoming broken slowly, so I think I might fix it with a new mouse. On Linux, my most used feature is SSH, because being able to remotely control a computer with text (on a 1Mbps upload connection, RDP is too slow to use), from a phone or a laptop over 3G or something, it's amazing. And I often forget a file on my computer when I'm working on a laptop, and I can just SSH into it and transfer it with FileZilla or HTTP or whatever. It's nice. I have become much more grateful for open source and Linux in general, and much less angry and entitled. Bit rambly but it's 5AM I don't even know what I wrote...
- hogrammer 10y agoIf you like Linux, you'll love Windows 10.
- chenster 10y agoInteresting.. my path is Windows -> Linux -> Mac = Happy ever after.
- pyre 10y agoInteresting. My path has been Windows -> Linux -> Windows -> Mac -> Linux -> Mac -> ?
- snambi 10y agoGreat post. I'm working on migrating from OSX to Linux.
- sergiolp 10y agoFor Mail/Calendar/Contacts/Tasks you should really consider Evolution. I've switched ~2 years ago, and it's amazing. Stable, sleek, and with tons of options. It has a bad reputation because, back in the day, it was buggy and bloated. But I haven't hit a single bug over these years, and while it eats a significant amount of memory, it's on par with other options (and these days everyone has plenty of RAM). I'd love to see more people giving it a second chance.
- bitmapbrother 10y agoLinux has all of the foundation in place to be a great desktop OS, but the various user interfaces for it have all been inferior in my opinion. I've tried all of the major distro's and I've always come away thinking that the desktop UI was no where near as polished as OSX and the gap never seemed to shrink. There was this one distro I thought might have a chance, but Papyros never amount to much and seems to be in perpetual alpha. Linux has always been a function over form OS and that will probably never change, but it sure would be nice if form and function had equal billing one day.
- mcintyre1994 10y agoHave you tried elementaryOS? It's very inspired by macOS and us basically a design first distro with Ubuntu upstream. I had betas on an old rubbish laptop and it was never as stable or fast as Ubuntu, but I always saw praise about it and the design is nice.
- mcintyre1994 10y ago> Then they introduced iCloud into TextEditor and instead of starting it and you could instantly write, which I used often to take notes, you had to create a file first, so every time this one extra step which I hated. What is it with MacOS and this workflow? It's annoying enough to make me want to buy Office just so I can open an app and fiddle before I decide if and where I want to save things. Why does everything have to be in a concrete location in the filesystem before I can do anything in the office apps? I do think they fixed this for textedit though so that's nice, that'd have been annoying.
- kriro 10y agoSounds very similar to my story with some minor differences. I never had an Amiga/Atari ST/C64 as I simply had...nothing (friends had ST and Amigas so I got some exposure). Later on my family got a super expensive PC (first generation with CD rom, 486 DX2/66Mhz) but we had no internet access for a quite some time. Did some programming on it, learned from books I picked up in a local store because they looked exciting (that big TurboPascal book). Linux from magazine CD...completely butchered the first attempt at a multiboot install, said screw this and just installed Linux (it was a Suse). Then also had a Gentoo phase which was great for learning. Bought a G4 Powerbook eventually (don't even remember why I did that), thought the OS was horrible. Installed different Linux distributions on it (Yellow Dog, Debian) and eventually went with OpenBSD. After that pretty much a desktop PC with different Linux distributions, have since standardized on Xubuntu. Got a MBP for my current job. Not exactly loving it but it's ok. Next laptop will very likely not be an Apple laptop. Maybe I'll just stop the little iOS stuff I'm doing completely (as it's my experience that it's fairly horrible on non-Apple products). I'll gladly take recommendations (I was thinking about maybe buying a Mac Mini the next time I get some iOS request) but that's pretty much the only reason why I'd buy Apple hardware now.
- wineisfine 10y agoThe replacement apps list does not look very appetising though :)
- utkarshsinha 10y agoMight as well switch to Windows now. They've got a bash shell (thx Ubuntu) and have a much more polished UI.
- slitaz 10y agoYou do not get the full Linux, just the Ubuntu user-space packages. But once you need something advanced, you can install Ubuntu as dual-boot and you will be at home.
- simooooo 10y agoLinux is fine until you need to install a graphics driver. Then you can expect a black screen and failure to boot.
- slitaz 10y agoIndeed. But mainstream distros won't let you go there, so it's not an issue anymore.
- AstralStorm 10y agoThe real time audio situation can be vastly improved using a nice kxStudio tool called Cadence. It starts up Jack, session handling and bridges PulseAudio and alsa properly for most use cases.
- jeena 10y agoMy use case is: I have a Bluetooth headset which works great with PulseAudio, if I'm on the train I use it because it has noise cancelation and I can listen to music or YouTube with it. I'd like to use it to work on my podcasts too which I do in Ardour, but once I start Ardour it wants to start jack and I haven't been able to get the Bluetooth headset to work with jack, I don't know where to start looking.
- vonklaus 10y agoA few people have made the point that the ability to switch is much easier-- both because linux has become more user friendly & their skills have evolved as well. Linux is great. I have been coding/learning/programming for almost 3 years and there is a lot of knowledge neccessary to be productive-- in any environment. There have been a large amount of these "os x alternative posts"; and I agree with them. Apple is alienating people like me-- not just the archetypal guru ninjas who contribute to the kernal or live in vim. I just bought a used 2011 15" macbook pro. The 2012 mbp are really the last year that could be hardware updated. I have a flashdrive with bootable yosemite and a carbon copy of one of my hard drives that run Yosemite. This is because if you upgrade you can't revert to previous gens. Sometimes even when testing a beta. I am ALL for progression, it would be AWESOME if people updated their browsers and the web could push forward-- but os x has gotten worse. El capitan & sierra are pretty bad imo and many others. Also, the hardware is leaving a lot to be desired. Also, linux is rising, shit even Microsoft is making software for linux. Apple is barely competing in the "pro" space. I am sure people will still decelop plenty of hq apps for iphone and macos but with Linux, Android and Microsoft making such obvious pains to win devs, this could be a mistake. I am running 2 OS back on a 5 year old hardware and the experience is only alightly worse than when I had a 2015 maxed MBP. Also web platforms are allowing tons of greatvsoftware to be env agnostic. I am semi sick of these posts, but there is a reason they keep topping HN. A few years ago I remeber PG even calling Apple out. He said something like, he had just unconsciously subscribed to Apples next computer, but it wasnt obvious he would anymore. They weren't keeping up. OS X was-- and still is, pretty great. Cook is likely making the right business decision in the hub progression: laptop is hub > cloud is hub > phone is hub But a little more effort to ship better software and reasonable hardware would go so far. No ports, non-upgradeable, limited memory and SSD storage for fing 1600. I can punt on a decision for 1-2 more years with current configuration but without marked improvement and inprovement v alternatives i will leave amd so will many other like me-- avg & beginner developers, designers and media(photo/video/music) pros. Bummed.
- JacksonGariety 10y agoI'm bored so here's a revision of that table: listening to music = cmus cutting pictures = darktable can stay text editor = emacs or vim audio processing = idk about this one writing iso = nope dd is perfect irc = erc or weechat email = mutt or gmail website calendar = org agenda mode (emacs) address book = org mode table terminal = urxvt or st rss = idk i don't read rss tweeting = don't passwords = paper don't have your don't read articles to you, either. bonus: browser: vimb or chromium i guess terminal: alacritty (fewer kinks every day) clock: xclock
- Fnoord 10y agoMusic - Spotify Text Editor - Sublime (nothing comes close, sorry) Illustrator - Krita Terminal - Alacritty Passwords - LastPass Browser - Firefox All of these are available for Mac and Linux. A good and simple image editor for Windows is paint.net
- self_awareness 10y ago@jeena, have you considered applying infinality patches for your freetype package, or using freetype v2.7?
- diegoperini 10y agoHow one can switch from OS X to Linux and still feel comfortable without a track pad with the same quality? Everything Macbooks (and the OS) provide is replaceable with good alternatives on a Linux environment and I personally had the satisfaction to do so. But still, there existed no notebook with the same keyboard feeling, trackpad (touchpad, whatever), weight and durability as a Macbook. What do I miss here? Edit: Grammar fix. :)
- krzyk 10y agoWhat's so nice about Mac trackpads? I've heard that argument frequently but when I use my wifes Air and switch back to my laptop (either HP, Dell or Lenovo - not the cheap ones) I don't see a difference, at least when I added in synaptics driver the natural scrolling by swiping up and down. Right now I think that Mac trackpad has three issues: * it is freaking cold in the morning (metal case) * you don't see the buttons (I still don't know if mac 1 one or 2 or 3 buttons :) * click sound, when you have a child sleeping you don't want to have it so loud or at all (it should make same sound as pushing a keyboard button).
- diegoperini 10y agoYes it is cold in the morning, takes up to 10 minutes to heat up at the office. The advantages are: * 3 finger, 4 finger gestures for desktop switching, window management etc. * You don't really need buttons. 1 finger tap/click is the left click, 2 finger tap/click is the right click. There are tools (i.e MagicPrefs) to make 3 finger tap/click the middle click. If you prefer clicks over taps, the sound can annoy you, that is a catch for sure. * Natural scroll is almost always pixel perfect instead of line snapping.
- jeena 10y agoThe desktop switching works in GNOME ith 4 fingers too, tap/click, 2 finger for right works the same. The line snapping only is in the browser, GNOME apps are pixel perfect, but I'd like to know why it doesn't work in the browsers.
- Auzy 10y agoInstead of Ableton, you could use Bitwig which was developed my ex Ableton employees..
- Auzy 10y agoInstead of Ableton, you could use Bitwig which was developed my ex Ableton employees..
- joaodlf 10y agoI'm on the other end. Early last year I switched to OSX. In the past I was heavily into various Linux distros: From Ubuntu, to the more lightweight Xubuntu. Fedora. Elementary. I've played with Gnome and Kde. It is my opinion that the people who seem ecstatic about their switch to Linux are still in their honeymoon period. I don't feel like any Linux distro out there comes close to the stability and elegance of OSX. I've had so many issues over the years, it's hard to even list them: - Ubuntu only used the dedicated gfx card on one of my laptops. Never would it settle into integrated. This caused performance issues, overheating, and I ultimately decided it was impossible to use. - Gnome had so many display, rendering, and performance issues... I still don't know how people tolerate it. Even software listed in this blog post: KeePassX copy/paste never worked for me. Random software that would just blank out and require a full system restart. - Crashes... so many... crashes. Especially when using multiple monitors. - Some distros (Elementary, for example) seem to have quite a few hardware limitations. Half the computers I tried to install these distros on would run into errors, a lot of bios chasing, too much time spent on forums to find help... Most of the times you just give up. - There just isn't enough software. And Wine isn't exactly the perfect solution. Not ONE single good MySQL gui for Linux (just an example). Think about that - and no, Workbench isn't good! It's extremely intensive on resources and bloated. I moved into OSX because I was fed up. I wanted to work and be productive and not constantly look after hardware and software. At the end of the day I wanted access to bash, pleasant to look at, with plenty of software options. I didn't want to worry about performance, random crashes, and lack of support for multiple displays. It's costly, but the solution for me was OSX.
- rodelrod 10y ago> Not ONE single good MySQL gui for Linux (just an example) SQLyog Community works wonderfully on Wine. I've been using it through multiple versions for almost 15 years with no problems. In fact I'm going crazy looking for a Posgres client that works as well and doesn't cost a fortune (meanwhile I'm working with a mix of pgAdmin and InteliJ's database plugin)
- 72deluxe 10y agoThis was the reason I switched to OSX too. I wanted to get stuff done, not fight all the time. I don't have time to tinker just to get stuff done. Of course, now we can both be upset the course the OSX takes from our adoption of it and observe the removal of features with no recourse. Lesser of two evils I suppose.
- somecallitblues 10y agoI got to the part where the Op says "we are creating custom Linux distributions for car manufacturers, we do UI work, we write Linux drivers, Linux middleware and so on" and thought of course you'll be running Linux. With that kind of work what else would you be using mate?
- EJTH 10y agoMy biggest peeve with OS X is HFS+ and the defaults regarding case sensitivity and folder names (They are insensitive). Having OSX for developers and Linux in prod can be a bad combo as you are sometimes led to believe that the systems are very similar... Well they are, but then at the same time they arent.
- WhiteSource1 10y agoWhat office software do you need to use? I still find LibreOffice is not compatible with Microsoft Office for complex formatting. Or are you only using Latex?
- NuDinNou 10y agoHave you tried the latest version, LibreOffice 5.2.4 ?
- WhiteSource1 10y agoThey keep on improving, but it's not enough
- netgusto 10y agoI felt that need to change from mac to linux very recently also; it turns out, I lost plenty of time just to get the desktop environment "to work". Used ubuntu + Unity, then switched to i3 on Ubuntu. After lots of tweaking, I found out how to get nice font rendering on i3 (default rendering is not so good when you're used to osx). Then I went on the hunt for replacement apps for my office work : email + calendar + contacts; oh my, spent hours trying Thunderbird, Evolution, Geary (and it's new fork also), also Gnome Calendar, Thunderbird lightning and California for calendar. In the end, I settled on Thunderbird + Gnome cal, but it felt like a compromise rather than a happy choice. After some weeks of working with that setup, not finding emails when needed, forgetting about calendar appointments because of sync issues, I just gave up and when back to The Path Of Least Resistance for me : macos.
- tyfon 10y agoThe whole email/calendar/contacts thing works so much better in KDE I think, however personally I have had all that stuff on google apps for business for many years now.
- pmlnr 10y agoThe sole problem with KDE PIM apps is it's using MySQL underneath and it can get dreadfully slow. Otherwise it's quite neat, though I'm fine with Evolution for now. By the way, so many are using gapps and gsuite these days that this may not matter at all.
- netgusto 10y ago> I have had all that stuff on google apps for business for many years now. Yes, I'm pretty sure also that office apps are not a problem for many Linux-on-desktop users for this particular reason; turns out I don't want to use google office services, so this was not an option for me.
- adamors 10y agoThis is one of the major reasons I've switched from Linux to OS X many years ago. I spend my working hours in the terminal, but when I use a PC at home or for not programming, the desktop experience is just better on OS X. Email, calendars, contacts etc. just work without endless tinkering. Also, there is no good email client for Linux. Thunderbird is a huge waste of time and other programs are even worse.
- zelos 10y agoStrange that iTunes was one of the reasons I switched from Linux to OSX a decade ago and now it's first on the list of applications I'd like a decent alternative to.
- jondubois 10y agoI've been on Ubuntu for a couple of years now. I would never go back to Windows or even OSX. I love Gnome's workspace switcher. OSX's workspace switcher felt tedious and slow by comparison. With Ubuntu/Gnome, I just Ctrl+Alt+arrow-key to move between workspaces and it's so smooth/quick. It's great for writing/debugging code; I have one workspace with the app/site I'm building, one with my source code and one with the terminal for launching/killing processes. Sometimes I use the fourth workspace to do CPU profiling when doing performance testing. It's nice that there are just four workspaces - One in each corner, then I can switch to any one of them with a single hotkey without even having to think - I can instantly bring up the one I want in a fraction of a second. It really adds up. Windows was terrible. I had to move the mouse and click several times every time I wanted to test a change I made to the code. I can't believe I was doing that just a few years ago.
- simosx 10y agoUbuntu can do the workspace switching as well, but also other window managers. Step 1. Enable workspaces in Settings->Appearance->Behavior->Enable workspaces You can see the four workspaces on the Launcher, near the Trash icon. Step 2. Add shortcuts to switch to these workspaces in Settings->Keyboard->Shortcuts->Navigation You set a shortcut for "Switch to workspace 1" (up to 4). Ideally, you would set these to "Alt+1", "Alt+2", etc so that a single shortcut takes you as once to a specific workspace.
- fb03 10y agoSame here. Ubuntu with quick desktop switching is a breeze to develop, Windows feels cumbersome compared to it, needs way more keystrokes and mouse gymnastics to get the work done ;-) My Windows usage is restricted to gaming and music production. Sadly, getting low latency audio on Linux requires lots of fiddling, and even if I do get it running, I'm still going to miss the tons of windows-only audio plugins.
- indeyets 10y agomacOS: Ctrl-left/Ctrl-right switches workspaces for me. Four-finger swipe does the same. what am I doing wrong?
- oelmekki 10y agoI've never switched to apple hardware when it was the trend, in late 2000' and stayed on pc/linux, so my apologies if this comment is naive. I see a lot of "leaving apple" articles and comments lately. From what I gather, this is because their latest macbook is disappointing. But from what I remember, the initial reason for switching to apple was because of the incredible UX of macOSX. Did I miss something and there also are software problems in apple world?
- krylon 10y agoIt's not just the MacBook, I think. The fact that Apple machines built in the last ~4 years do not allow to upgrade RAM, for example, is a problem to me. I own a MacMini, the last version that allowed upgrading RAM, and I just went from 4GB to 16GB, and the difference in performance is significant. Next, I will replace the hard disk with an SSD. Both are impossible on more recent Macs. Also, it appears many people feel the quality of OS X (pardon me: macOS)) is not what it used to be; Apple, I heard, is also rather slow to deliver patches for security issues other bugs. The feeling I get, while not following Apple-related news that closely, is that they focus most of their resources on the iPhone/iOS, and OS X and Mac hardware is not really that much of a priority any more. The UX of macOS is very nice in some points, but personally, I find it about as nice as Gnome2/Mate - some things I like better on macOS, some things I like better on Mate. And of course, this is highly subjective, and may be largely due to force of habit. (In all fairness, Gnome2/Mate seems to have taken a lot of, uh, inspiration from OS X, but still.)
- oelmekki 10y agoThanks krylon. Now that you mention it, I think I've heard something in the stance of "they focus on mobile and leave desktop behind" before. Thanks for feedback!
- aaronky 10y agoI really don't understand why these posts keep making it to the front page.
- clishem 10y ago> GNOME Calendar (...) It's getting better but still lacks the day and week view, which is really bad. Consider using Lightning, it's a plugin for Thunderbird and it's really excellent.
- chmaynard 10y agoThis is so illuminating. I think I'll write a blog post on why I switched from Wheaties to Corn Flakes.
- dcdevito 10y agoI was a Windows user from 1993-1998, then when Win98 was released my new custom PC would lock up every 90 seconds, so I bought a 6" Linux bible and learned enough to get a Linux machine up and running. Then XP came out, it was better, but still much of the same, I wanted Linux. Went back to Red Hat. Then Ubuntu came out a few years later, stuck with that, but overall Linux didn't progress much. In 2007 I switched to Mac and stayed with the platform until summer 2015, when I sold my Macbook Pro and switched to a Lenovo Thinkpad running Win10. Windows 10 is solid, stable and fast, but it just isn't - and will never be - a developer's OS (unless you're a .NET dev). This past summer I built a rig and was running Win10 for a while but couldn't stand it. I installed Linux Mint with Cinnamon. But Cinnamon crashed every time I logged in, no idea why, even on fresh builds (as I kept a separate /home partition). So a week ago I ventured into the mysterious world of Hackintosh, and I am kicking myself for not doing this sooner. It's the best of both worlds, assuming you don't mind maintaining the system before/after updates to keep it running. I don't have a WiFi card/adapter nor a bluetooth one, so I obviously don't have all the functionality the platform offers but I don't care, it's plenty good enough otherwise. I even have iMessage working with no issues at all. OS X is the only platform for me, plain and simple.
- cdegroot 10y agoWindows 10 is solid, stable and fast. And runs my games, and Lightroom, and... And now, with Linux Subsystem for Windows, also runs the Ubuntu 14.04 userspace quite well. I've setup the dressed-down version of mintty with VcXsrv for the occasional X11 app, and to my surprise it does what it wants. Now, for most of my day-to-day development I either use Tmux or iTerm2 with tiled terminals or IntelliJ, so YMMV, but I'm actually seriously considering to have my next workstation be on Win10.
- dcdevito 10y agoI was excited when MSFT announced WSL, I immediately started digging into it when I received the AU last summer. What killed it for me was being unable to edit the same files between WSL and Windows - I'm a CLI guy but I do like the occasional text editor to write in. So I gave up a couple months ago. I also found no way of storing ssh/ppk/pem keys anywhere for WSL. I know it's in beta and I know many changes are coming, but I needed to start working on a real side project and needed a reliable and dependable dev environment. maybe one day we can replace CMD with bash entirely, that would be nice. But I also need to target and test Ionic apps on iOS, so I need OS X in some capacity. I've used Phonegap Build but it's a hassle and not free, I'm just more comfy in OS X
- bigpeopleareold 10y agoI was alienated by Apple before it was cool. :P Seriously though, it was only until last year that I decided I want to only use Ubuntu (specifically) because I did not want to switch between keybindings between my work Mac and my home PC. My work MacBook is actually much more capable than my home PC, with the retina screen/better processor/etc. However, it now sits collecting dust, only opened to watch movies and will be used as such if and when my employment terminates. I regret asking for a MacBook, thinking I was going to be doing more work within OS X. However, my mind changed when the little things about OS X started to get to me. I work on two screens mostly (unless it is just my laptop at home.) All windows are usually full-screened. They usually consist of Emacs, Chrome and a terminal, with some side applications like Skype. I don't use any special Unity features, like the Dock, etc. and only use the graphical file browser occasionally. In this setup, OS X seemed to conflict with my desires towards this use-case. I was also getting scared that Apple's use-cases would override mine in the future, conflicting with my rather simple and stable usage requirements. Ubuntu, through the years, has been incredibly stable for me; I rarely have issues with it. When there are issues, they are usually just dumb ones. However, it was 16.04 that solidified the case for me, because it turned out to be more solid than previous versions. A long time ago, the cracks were starting to show when I threw up my arms over OS X over compiling ruby gems. At the time, I had to always fight with it to compile ruby gems. In Ubuntu, things just worked. My wife still wants to use OS X/macOS, running a 2010 macbook pro (that is in an advanced state of decay :)) but that's her. I wish I can just by a cheap+powerful PC laptop and stick ubuntu on it, but that's not going to happen. To sum, to me this is about taste and tolerance. I am glad people are interested in using GNU/Linux-based distributions more. With the audience growing, I am glad to see that this can lead to more investments in the desktop Linux space.
- swozey 10y agoThe OSX third party app eco system is leaps and bounds what's available on Linux and that's unfortunate and really the only thing that keeps me on OSX. I switch back and forth every few years. I need 32GB of ram so I may switch again. There of course are far more apps available in apt/yum, but the quality of them typically doesn't compare at all to what you get on OSX. What's a super simple app in nix nearly always tends to have a far higher quality OSX version that has a nice menu bar with actions available, status changes, integrations with other apps, etc. A lot of simple third party apps that I use daily, like popclip which saves me a ton of clicks when copy/pasting, 1passwords browser extensions (you can run it in Wine but the extensions can't connect to the app), bartender, fantastical, some pomodoro app I always forget to use tend to not have nix versions or alternatives that are anywhere near the same quality and once you've gotten accustomed to using these your workflow when dumped into a raw nix desktop just plummets. Not to mention when any new hip thing is released on github I can almost guarantee that there's going to be an OSX release readily available. It's a chicken egg situation which sucks. There's less users so there's less incentive to port the apps.. and there we stand.
- DeepYogurt 10y agoI moved from fedora linux to OSX in the last few months (free macbook). I miss fedora a lot.
- jeromenerf 10y agoProcrastination isn't it? mac, linux, bsd, windows, even android or ios seem to work for some people. I have this feeling that if the trackpad quality and other osx niceties are a must have for some, they should just stick to it and move on. - everything sucks at some point - it has never been easier to test before making a decision - it is possible not to switch but to adapt and use different devices and systems - "switching' is not an life commitment; if it sucks for you, switch back; it is not an insult to the system you chose - when encountering issues, spend some time contributing to reports or wiki. Not a user but archlinux wiki is great.
- restalis 10y ago«"switching' is not an life commitment; if it sucks for you, switch back;» Switching back and forth assumes investment of time and effort, which are tradable things. We trade our time and effort for money, we are willing to pay money for things that saves us time and effort. It's kind of a big deal for some of us.
- eeeeeeeeeeeee 10y agoUhhh this person re-wrote a text editor because TextEdit now defaults to iCloud save? Something that non-developers probably appreciate, but we may not. Is it not known that this behavior can be disabled back to the old way with a single line command? You simply run this from Terminal: defaults write NSGlobalDomain NSDocumentSaveNewDocumentsToCloud -bool false
- grzm 10y agoActually, probably not. I'd say a majority of macOS users are unaware of that particular setting, much less that settings can updated via the command line. Thanks for posting this!
- thebouv 10y agoI love Linux. I use it every day and have since around '98. Recently I decided to get my teen brother, who's going into CS soon, a Linux laptop for development and a Raspberry Pi for a project we're doing together (a "magic mirror"). Instantly found desktop Linux to still be a giant pain in the ass. Ubuntu on the Pi defaulted wifi to only manual addressing, not DHCP. On top of that, set to IPv6 only as well. After digging through SO and other forums for a while we finally figured it out. I've never had a desktop Linux experience work "out of the box". It still takes a power user to make it even half-way tolerable, and as a power user, I found it intolerable. I could see how overwhelming it was just writ plain on his face. Then realized I was making the same expressions. Apple is definitely irritating me lately with their hardware decisions, but at the end of the day OSX is just better with desktop tasks. Hell, I'd choose Windows desktop experience over Linux, even with MS's privacy issues with Win10. Because I don't want to spend 3 hours figuring out how to turn on wifi.
- lowbloodsugar 10y agoFor comparison, how was it setting up Windows and OSX on the Pi?
- thebouv 10y agoAmazing actually. Worked like a charm. Of course these are my own super secret tweaked versions of Windows and OSX developed specifically for the Pi. I'd share with you but I need to clean the code up first. ;) No, I get it, I mixed together my frustrations with the Pi with my frustrations with the laptop installs. At the end of the day though the combined experiences recently made me go "this is still a pain in the butt".
- jdc0589 10y ago> I've never had a desktop Linux experience work "out of the box". I keep saying that I have, and its way better now. But, I'm slowly realizing that I haven't done a bare metal install in probably 6 years. I suspect that a lot of people are in the same boat.
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- throw2016 10y agoWindows and OSX are pushed to consumers. Untill someone starts bundling Linux with matched hardware and markets it widely to endusers Linux will always remain a pull model. End users come to it, out of curiosity, ideology and the things it's good at - programming and systems related needs. Its only because a lot of general use case computing is becoming browser specific and Linux desktops have made massive strides in usability that the general use case even becomes a possibility but the push factor still remains. Poeple who are not computer centric will use what comes to them and nearly impossible to imagine a scenario where they reach to install another OS. Even developers are often not systems folks, they know how to get their programming environment going and little beyond that. The kind of knowledge you need to really manage an OS from installing, hardware, networking, storage is specialized and unless is designed in by hardware and software vendors with support and training be it Linux, Windows or OSX becomes an uphill battle. Possible but time consuming. This knowledge is held by people who are paid to know it or are in technology software industry and unlikely to interest people who just want to use stuff and not gain an indepth knowledge of it.
- calinet6 10y agoYet another piece of proof that Linux remains a great operating system for programmers and techies. For the rest of the world... sadly, just look at it.
- mancerayder 10y agoI'm a long-time Linux user, I've used Linux on a desktop for years and I started that with Slackware when I was about 15 or so. But now I'm my late 30's, I work as a Linux Admin/DevOps/automation engineer for a living and I have more money than I have time. So time has become very important to me. Even in 2016, running Linux in a desktop is a time sink, since researching hardware and troubleshooting X, etc. other issues, selecting which variant of some basic killer app with strange names to use, all that other stuff I ENJOYED doing I now don't enjoy, because I have hobbies. HOWEVER, I would be willing to forgo all of that, and suffer the miserable time sink of running Linux on a desktop again for one thing: Adobe support. Lightroom and sometimes Photoshop are 'killer apps' for me for photography as a hobby, and no, I'm not moving to Gimp or something else that's open source. Again, my wallet has more power than my free time is vast. I had a Mac Pro tower years ago, the big heavy one, before the newer revisions turned it into a tiny garbage-can-shaped appliance that you can't upgrade (soldered graphics, clever). Then I've Macbook Airs, and once that new Pro came out, needless to say I had to pick other alternatives. At the end of the day I chose a Microsoft Surface Book, because a) Microsoft is now the underdog (and this is coming from an open source, Linux guy by trade) b) the hardware is sexy, with a screen that comes off a real base with a discrete GPU and decent keyboard, turning itself into a tablet c) It runs Lightroom and Photoshop! And the pen is a nice touch. So that's my story. I'd have a story more closely aligned to moving to Linux if I weren't hobbled by Adobe dependence. But I do say, I don't regret the (very expensive, but time-saving) Surface Book.
- sngz 10y agohexchat isnt a good replacement for textual. There's a lot of features that textual has that hexchat is missing, even comparing to limechat