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Again, where do you get your news? I find anyone that most people who posit a monolithic "left" are typically consuming a strange brew. Anyone who cares about

Again, where do you get your news? I find anyone that most people who posit a monolithic "left" are typically consuming a strange brew. Anyone who cares about truth -- not just in science, but in economics, policy, etc, should be horrified by what Trump represents. And I'd take even money against him being re-elected. There are betting sites that are offering even money that he won't even finish four years, and based on how he's handling the transition, that seems correct. I think being president is harder than you think, by the way. And I'm extremely pessimistic that Trump's up for it. He certainly hasn't done anything to demonstrate that he's capable.

civilian 10y ago
I read The Economist regularly, and I read miscellaneous articles from the NYTimes, HuffPo, WashingtonPost that comes up on HN/FB. I enjoy the Joe Rogan podcast but Rogan is wildly uninformed and likes to push conspiracy theories. I think you're looking for a "badMedia -> uninformedCitizen" trend, but you're not going to find it. My values are just libertarian--- so I've been on the sidelines every presidential race ever. I wasn't excited about either candidate. I just want to hear some good honest arguments. But I see so much emotional manipulation from the left.
- GrinningFool 10y ago
  If you're only seeing emotional manipulation from the left, you're only seeing half the story.
  - civilian 10y ago
    So, I grew up in Portland, went to school in Massachusetts, and live in Seattle now. I totally agree that I'm probably not seeing a lot of the stupid shit that the Right is saying, just based off of who my friends and community are. I critique where I can. :]
- ryandamm 10y ago
  I subscribe to the Economist, too. Their opinion of Trump jibes with mine, as far as I can tell. Do you disagree? And I ask about media because you've got to start from an agreed upon set of facts. That didn't used to be so difficult. (Not sure we disagree on facts here, but it's the easiest explanation for wildly different opinions on this subject. Might as well dispense with the big issues first, eh?)
GrinningFool 10y ago
> find anyone that most people who posit a monolithic "left" are typically consuming a strange brew s/left/right. Is there any difference in how each perceives the other? Is the assumption that any member of "the right" voted for Trump and believe what he espouses any more fair than the assumption that "the left" is anti-science, based only on the beliefs of a subset? People and their beliefs are complex. We do each other a disservice when we make assumptions based on our own lack of understanding and willingness to actually learn about each other.

civilian 10y ago

I read The Economist regularly, and I read miscellaneous articles from the NYTimes, HuffPo, WashingtonPost that comes up on HN/FB. I enjoy the Joe Rogan podcast but Rogan is wildly uninformed and likes to push conspiracy theories. I think you're looking for a "badMedia -> uninformedCitizen" trend, but you're not going to find it. My values are just libertarian--- so I've been on the sidelines every presidential race ever. I wasn't excited about either candidate. I just want to hear some good honest arguments. But I see so much emotional manipulation from the left.

GrinningFool 10y ago
If you're only seeing emotional manipulation from the left, you're only seeing half the story.
- civilian 10y ago
  So, I grew up in Portland, went to school in Massachusetts, and live in Seattle now. I totally agree that I'm probably not seeing a lot of the stupid shit that the Right is saying, just based off of who my friends and community are. I critique where I can. :]
ryandamm 10y ago
I subscribe to the Economist, too. Their opinion of Trump jibes with mine, as far as I can tell. Do you disagree? And I ask about media because you've got to start from an agreed upon set of facts. That didn't used to be so difficult. (Not sure we disagree on facts here, but it's the easiest explanation for wildly different opinions on this subject. Might as well dispense with the big issues first, eh?)

GrinningFool 10y ago

> find anyone that most people who posit a monolithic "left" are typically consuming a strange brew s/left/right. Is there any difference in how each perceives the other? Is the assumption that any member of "the right" voted for Trump and believe what he espouses any more fair than the assumption that "the left" is anti-science, based only on the beliefs of a subset? People and their beliefs are complex. We do each other a disservice when we make assumptions based on our own lack of understanding and willingness to actually learn about each other.