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> more morning traditions I have enough shit to do in the morning, and I'm not waking up earlier. But really, why? Why can't America just do things the Americ

by serge2k 10y ago

> more morning traditions I have enough shit to do in the morning, and I'm not waking up earlier. But really, why? Why can't America just do things the American way? Why do people reject the idea that Americans are allowed to have their own culture?

jessriedel 10y ago
I agree that the knee-jerk reflex to presume superiority of international (and especially European) cultural aspects is tiresome. And very rarely do people actually manage a dispassionate comparison of two cultures, with a preference that could not be deduced from their prior political leanings. But in this case, jf isn't just emoting about his opinion, he's at least suggesting some place for further reading. His comment is useful for someone who might want to know more about how other cultures mourn.
lotyrin 10y ago
I often run into people simultaneously rejecting that we have our own culture and forbidding that we dare adopt any other culture. It's all been appropriated, and of course one can't be doing that. I'm glad I have no need to please these people, as I'm not sure how to do so.
Spellman 10y ago
I don't think the GP is suggesting we simply co-opt other customs. But that we can either develop our own or adapt others'. The lack of any tradition has been a deafening issue for child deaths. There are small efforts, such as rainbow babies or purple butterflies (Google them) that are helping bring awareness and systems to grieve. But most are to bring awareness or as a marker to indicate non-verbally to others to tread lightly. But nothing has taken root in the same mourning traditions we see in other cultures.
hkjgkjy 10y ago
I suspect GP meant "mourning" but misspelled
- serge2k 10y ago
  Hence, "But really". I don't call out or explain jokes, as a general rule. Not sure why people downvote. Too stupid to understand a joke? Too uptight? just generally assholes?
  - zedadex 10y ago
    > Not sure why people downvote https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
pyre 10y ago
> Why do people reject the idea that Americans are allowed to have their own culture? reply No one said that they are not allowed to have their own culture. Read the post you are replying to again. It is implying that American are lacking in mourning traditions and that some should be adopted. Looking at what other cultures do is a start, but there's nothing to say that these new mourning traditions couldn't be entirely new, and specific to Americans.
- serge2k 10y ago
  > No one said that they are not allowed to have their own culture No, people just constantly assert that other cultures are better and that Americans should adopt their values instead.
  - pyre 10y ago
    You're tilting at windmills here. The original post did not say this, yet this is what you are continuing to rant about.
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by serge2k 10y ago

jessriedel 10y ago

I agree that the knee-jerk reflex to presume superiority of international (and especially European) cultural aspects is tiresome. And very rarely do people actually manage a dispassionate comparison of two cultures, with a preference that could not be deduced from their prior political leanings. But in this case, jf isn't just emoting about his opinion, he's at least suggesting some place for further reading. His comment is useful for someone who might want to know more about how other cultures mourn.

lotyrin 10y ago

I often run into people simultaneously rejecting that we have our own culture and forbidding that we dare adopt any other culture. It's all been appropriated, and of course one can't be doing that. I'm glad I have no need to please these people, as I'm not sure how to do so.

Spellman 10y ago

I don't think the GP is suggesting we simply co-opt other customs. But that we can either develop our own or adapt others'. The lack of any tradition has been a deafening issue for child deaths. There are small efforts, such as rainbow babies or purple butterflies (Google them) that are helping bring awareness and systems to grieve. But most are to bring awareness or as a marker to indicate non-verbally to others to tread lightly. But nothing has taken root in the same mourning traditions we see in other cultures.

hkjgkjy 10y ago

I suspect GP meant "mourning" but misspelled

serge2k 10y ago
Hence, "But really". I don't call out or explain jokes, as a general rule. Not sure why people downvote. Too stupid to understand a joke? Too uptight? just generally assholes?
- zedadex 10y ago
  > Not sure why people downvote https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

pyre 10y ago

> Why do people reject the idea that Americans are allowed to have their own culture? reply No one said that they are not allowed to have their own culture. Read the post you are replying to again. It is implying that American are lacking in mourning traditions and that some should be adopted. Looking at what other cultures do is a start, but there's nothing to say that these new mourning traditions couldn't be entirely new, and specific to Americans.

serge2k 10y ago
> No one said that they are not allowed to have their own culture No, people just constantly assert that other cultures are better and that Americans should adopt their values instead.
- pyre 10y ago
  You're tilting at windmills here. The original post did not say this, yet this is what you are continuing to rant about.
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