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Bingo. They know it reduces productivity but apparently the productivity hit is worth the cost savings. And frankly, from a business perspective, they could be

Bingo. They know it reduces productivity but apparently the productivity hit is worth the cost savings. And frankly, from a business perspective, they could be right. Just don't tell me its "to enhance collaboration" [don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining]. Perhaps I was too harsh, there probably are some businesses that actually don't know that developers are much different from customers support, accountants or typists when it comes to the need for sustained concentration and focus. (I mean no disrespect to customer support, accountants or typists.)

silvestrov 10y ago
There are a lot of businesses where the social status hierarchy is much more important than productivity. As long as the company can survive, they just don't want to give the bottom-rungs much at all.
taftster 10y ago
Somewhat meta and not being contradictory to your message; but accountants are very much like programmers and need their quiet spaces. Managing complex Excel spreadsheets is about as close to programming as other office work. Ironically, speaking of accountants, I at least have found that in most businesses, the accounting staff do in fact have their own isolated working space. They justify it because of the "sensitivity" of their data, which is true. But the cynic in me thinks it's because they know developers tend to make more money (on average) and so they influence the situation and pitch to the CxO's to "reduce costs" by moving everyone (except themselves) into public spaces. Your first point is correct -- it's because of the cost savings. But cost savings only applies to those critters who dwell at the bottom of the org chart.
- xxs 10y ago
  Accounting often requires huge amount of folder/files which is next to impossible to organize in an open office -- also there is no QA/automated testing for misfiled numbers/reports. And last but not least, significantly fewer accounts are necessary in a software company compared to the sheer amount of developers. (monkey ones or otherwise)
jimbokun 10y ago
I bet accountants fall on the side of people who like uninterrupted quiet to do their work well.
DashRattlesnake 10y ago
> Bingo. They know it reduces productivity but apparently the productivity hit is worth the cost savings. Or the cost savings are reaped by different people than those who bear the productivity hit.
chrisbennet 10y ago
I was afraid I might get some flak for mentioning accountants. I apparently have/had an incorrect or at least dated view of how an accountant works. In the context of my own work as a developer, focus for me entails trying to come up with the math to do something new. This entails hours of thinking about it in bed but also trying to juggle the ideas in my head. (I'll be the first to admit that thinking is probably not my strong suit.) BTW: I'm looking for a New Hampshire based CPA for my sole proprietorship if you know of anyone. :-)

silvestrov 10y ago

There are a lot of businesses where the social status hierarchy is much more important than productivity. As long as the company can survive, they just don't want to give the bottom-rungs much at all.

taftster 10y ago

Somewhat meta and not being contradictory to your message; but accountants are very much like programmers and need their quiet spaces. Managing complex Excel spreadsheets is about as close to programming as other office work. Ironically, speaking of accountants, I at least have found that in most businesses, the accounting staff do in fact have their own isolated working space. They justify it because of the "sensitivity" of their data, which is true. But the cynic in me thinks it's because they know developers tend to make more money (on average) and so they influence the situation and pitch to the CxO's to "reduce costs" by moving everyone (except themselves) into public spaces. Your first point is correct -- it's because of the cost savings. But cost savings only applies to those critters who dwell at the bottom of the org chart.

xxs 10y ago
Accounting often requires huge amount of folder/files which is next to impossible to organize in an open office -- also there is no QA/automated testing for misfiled numbers/reports. And last but not least, significantly fewer accounts are necessary in a software company compared to the sheer amount of developers. (monkey ones or otherwise)

jimbokun 10y ago

I bet accountants fall on the side of people who like uninterrupted quiet to do their work well.

DashRattlesnake 10y ago

> Bingo. They know it reduces productivity but apparently the productivity hit is worth the cost savings. Or the cost savings are reaped by different people than those who bear the productivity hit.

chrisbennet 10y ago

I was afraid I might get some flak for mentioning accountants. I apparently have/had an incorrect or at least dated view of how an accountant works. In the context of my own work as a developer, focus for me entails trying to come up with the math to do something new. This entails hours of thinking about it in bed but also trying to juggle the ideas in my head. (I'll be the first to admit that thinking is probably not my strong suit.) BTW: I'm looking for a New Hampshire based CPA for my sole proprietorship if you know of anyone. :-)